BTW frag i had a few questions if you would be so kind, not just out to score points it is good to now what the 'other side' believes...

Actually they are breeding a whole new type of jew, jewish children who grew up under constant threat of rocket-attacks, who realise that no matter what they do the world will condemn them, and they will stop caring. It's achieving a whole lot.

Actually they are breeding a whole new type of paelstinian, palestinian children who grew up under constant threat of rocket-attacks, who realise that no matter what they do Israel will attack them, and they will stop caring. It's achieving a whole lot.

Being exterminated does odd things to people, funny how you can't bring up any understanding for that, being exterminated is somewhat more then being harrased while at your daily stone-throwing festivities.

Are you trying to claim israeli's are being exterminated whilst palestinians simply have thier stone throwing activities disturbed ?!

You couldn't call either an extermination but the statement would much more accurately describe the palestinian plight than the israeli one. Unfortunately for those with a pro israeli viewpoint numbers DO matter when it comes to words like extermination...

what could be the difference with Jordan, Iraq, Syria and all the other new states? Take a pick

a) It was the best piece of land
b) it is a jewish state.
c) I want to say Gah.

errm, you missed the obvious one... D) A bunch of foriegners coming in and creating a new country* and displacing the local population

Yes the others where also new countrys but they were simply a big empire divided into much smaller sections without much real effect to the natives, israel was something completely different

Killing people is not the solution

Yes it is

So tell me, do you think terrorism can be defeated simply by killing terrorists, because its an absurd idea, without addressing the underlying problems as well you simply create more terrorists...

Though admittedly if you kill off the entire palestinian population there would be no palestinian terrorism, seen as noone actually wants to do that (or pretty much noone) it basically means that terrorism can't stopped by just killing terrorists...

but Israel isn't the agressor Israel is the victim.

It isn't really a victim, through its continued taking off more and more land, complete control of basic resources and making the palestinians in some of the worst conditions in the world they have brought it on themselves...

In terms of the aggressor in this individual stage of the conflict i have heard conflicting reports, some hamas spokesman said the other day israel launched a raid which killed some hamas leader before they responded with the rockets which caused the israeli response were discussing now.... not that it matters much anyway....

In terms of the aggressor from the conflict at large you can't really put that down to the palestinian people, it was the arab states that went to war with israel, not the plaestinian people but it was then the palestinian people who suffered as a result

so you could say in terms of Arab states vs israel, Arab states are agressor

but in terms of palestinian people vs israel, israel is the aggressor...

That being said im sick of both sides claiming the other started it, they should work from where thier at today, not hark back to some war half a century ago as a good excuse for thier current occupation...