Some joyous tidings from Israel

[Fragony]

Open letter to the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSf...=1&tbl_archief

[Tribesman]

Bloody hell Frag you really have surpassed yourself this time .

My objective is to show who meir kahane was and what he said.

Kahane ??????
the Israelis and Americans both called him a terrorist nut .

[Tribesman]

Israel has de facto recognition from the majority of states in the world.

Interesting .
Palestine has recognition from the majority of states on the world .
The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic has de facto recognition of the Free Zone .
Taiwan is only recognised by 23 countries .
Do you see where the legality aspect of this comes in yet ?

[Fragony]

Bloody hell Frag you really have surpassed yourself this time .


Kahane ??????
the Israelis and Americans both called him a terrorist nut .

He makes it pretty clear he's just an ordinary Israeli citizin and that is his perspective, rockets-in-the face-just-suck-it-up technically speaking, or does that logic only comes into full effect when it are non-jews, you seem to be so particulary thoughtfull of the motivations of the arabs even when they are vowing to kill all jews, which is of course a reaction to the reaction of how was reacted upon a reaction of how was reacted on a reaction, or however you want to justify the need to completely whipe out a people and their country for whatever rightious cause that makes your birthday-party's somewhat interesting.

[Tribesman]

He makes it pretty clear he's just an ordinary Israeli citizin and that is his perspective

Yeah Kahane was just an ordinary Israeli citizen too , before that he was just an ordinary american citizen , both countries call him a racist terrorist , what more perspective on his view do you need ?

So in his perspective a statement like this is right ...
Western democracy has to be ruled out. For me that's cut and dried: there's no question of setting up democracy in Israel, because democracy means equal rights for all, irrespective of racial or religious origins
Nice eh ?
I suppose he also agrees from his perspective that Israel includes all the UN allocated territory , all the occupied territory , large parts of Jordan Syria Iraq Lebanon and North Egypt and all non jews must be either expelled or killed .

Like I said , you really have surpassed yourself Frag .

[Fragony]

Yeah Kahane was just an ordinary Israeli citizen too , before that he was just an ordinary american citizen , both countries call him a racist terrorist , what more perspective on his view do you need ?

So in his perspective a statement like this is right ...
Western democracy has to be ruled out. For me that's cut and dried: there's no question of setting up democracy in Israel, because democracy means equal rights for all, irrespective of racial or religious origins
Nice eh ?
I suppose he also agrees from his perspective that Israel includes all the UN allocated territory , all the occupied territory , large parts of Jordan Syria Iraq Lebanon and North Egypt and all non jews must be either expelled or killed .

Like I said , you really have surpassed yourself Frag .

No not nice, but understandable, I do not know this man but I have no objections about what is said in that video, so you do?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Bopa:

Please take your attitude and shelve it. I noted to Griz that the doctrine of "by conquest" HAD -- please note the tense -- a general "acceptance" in international relations. I was suggesting that to dismiss the concept entirely was therefore innacurate. I was careful to note that most nations have repudiated this notion (by virtue of their membership in the UN if nought else).

In short, I was bringing up an analytical point that bears relevance to the larger issue. If you had paused in your vitriolic response, you might have noted that:

1) as Israel draws its legitimacy from the 1947 UN decision to establish that state, Israel is a product of the organization whereby most nations have forsworn conquest but has itself -- at least twice (1948 and 1967) -- acquired territory in conflict and
2) Israel is currently in possession of territories that were set aside for an arab state in the 1947 UN decision;

you could thereby make an argument that Israel de-legitimated itself from the outset. Of course, you chose more a more "strident" response instead.


On your other "barb:"

You have a right to consider the USA to be an imperialist nation -- you're entitled to hold whatever opinions you wish.

I, myself, DREAM of a world for me and for my children in which the United States, with its current outlook on the world, is the MOST imperialist/aggressive state out there.

Israel our proxy? Chat with Krook if you want to hear about life as a "proxy" hewing wood and hauling water for someone else's agenda. Ally, yes. Take the opportunity to test out weapons systems with live fire, yes. Beg Mossad for humint we were dumb enough to discard or not develop in the region, yes. But a proxy? Don't think so.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

No not nice, but understandable, I do not know this man but I have no objections about what is said in that video, so you do?

Frag:

Didn't see the particular vid in question, but Kahane has a reputation that is as extremist/reactionary as Wilders, if not more so. The Knesset banned his entire party as racists and the USA did formally condem the Kahane Chai organization as a terrorist organization.

Presuming Kahane is a "typical" voice for Israel would be akin to labeling OBL a "typical" voice for Islam.

[Fragony]

as extremist/reactionary as Wilders