Some joyous tidings from Israel

[Watchman]

If you burn your *** you will have to sit on the blisters as we say here in Holland.

And what part of that doesn't apply to the issue of Israel getting the occasional crop of homemade rockets and suicide bombers as a direct result of its land-grabbing, I wonder...?

Nahh, not biased at all here. No way our dear resident xenophobe and Islam-hater would be, right ?

[Fragony]

And what part of that doesn't apply to the issue of Israel getting the occasional crop of homemade rockets and suicide bombers as a direct result of its land-grabbing, I wonder...?

Nahh, not biased at all here. No way our dear resident xenophobe and Islam-hater would be, right ?

Of course I am biased, I tend to have a dislike for organisations that want to whipe out a country and it's people. Hax is right it is really not worth discussing with someone like me, as I have developed a strong dislike for organisations that want to whipe out an entire country and it's people, a shade of grey you seem to find acceptable when the tea is sweet enough.

[Tribesman]

Yeah how very terrible of me that I, unlike some, am not particulary sympathatic towards a internationaly recognised terrorist-organisation who wants to whipe out an entire country and it's people.

Says someone who is sympathetic towards an internationally recognised terrorist organisation who wants to wipe out several countries and their people .


You really dropped yourself in it Frag , hows them blisters on your ****?

[Watchman]

Of course I am biased, I tend to have a dislike for organisations that want to whipe out a country and it's people. Hax is right it is really not worth discussing with someone like me, as I have developed a strong dislike for organisations that want to whipe out an entire country and it's people, a shade of grey you seem to find acceptable when the tea is sweet enough.

And like I keep telling you, what they "want" is right well irrelevant as they're patently incapable of ever even trying to realize it. So moot point.
Which is why such movements are so wont to "mellow out" once they come in from the wilds and have to start to wear ties and sit behind big mahogany tables and add up numbers in bureaucratic paperwork.

Why are you so hung up on Hamas' little piece of rhetorical fantasy, anyway ?

[Fragony]

Why are you so hung up on Hamas' little piece of rhetorical fantasy, anyway ?

Because it works, everybody is falling for it

[Watchman]

Especially you ?

Granted, it seems to be a rather important building block in the case you're making...

Personally, I prefer to take bombastic political declarations with a rather major pinch of salt.

[Fragony]

Especially you ?

Granted, it seems to be a rather important building block in the case you're making...

Personally, I prefer to take bombastic political declarations with a rather major pinch of salt.

I am not narcistic enough for making this my own, this goes a whole lot further then whatever self-rightious intentions I happen to not have. Can we please stop keeping correcting what we know crap about, which would be the middle-east.

[Watchman]

Now that just went incoherent. What're you trying to say ?

[rasoforos]

yeah terrible. Maybe they should have used the fertiliser to grow crops instead of making explosives, just an idea. But alas they didn't and now they cry, maybe their arab brothers can spare some they care so very, very deeply after all. Oh silly me they prefer them poor and hungry makes for better pictures.

So much hate and not even one argument.

The idea that they could have used 'fertilizer' to grow crops as an excuse to why humanitarian aid is blocked from reaching them...

...and then somehow you forget aid is being blocked and u ask the other arabs to send aid? (Which is being blocked?!)

Ok we got it, you hate the Arabs. Fine. U dont really have a reason. Fine. Could it be possible, if you are not planning to use any arguments, to stop spamming the thread?

[Fragony]

Now that just went incoherent. What're you trying to say ?

This war in just a vehicle for some. Pretending they give a crap but it's all political correctness, who gives a crap about Palestina.You are the lead star in your own Unicef-commercial.

[Fragony]

So much hate and not even one argument.

Yeah yeah, in the meantime I support 4 african familie, including a playstation for all of them, have adopted four elders in Russia, and give 100 euro a month to friends of Iran so people in Iran don't get hanged, that is more then 200 euro month, how about you?

[Watchman]

I detect a failed argument that has now collapsed into incoherent, vague accusations and nihilistic raving.

[rasoforos]

Yeah yeah, in the meantime I support 4 african familie, including a playstation for all of them, have adopted four elders in Russia, and give 100 euro a month to friends of Iran so people in Iran don't get hanged, that is more then 200 euro month, how about you?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Says someone who is sympathetic towards an internationally recognised terrorist organisation who wants to wipe out several countries and their people .

Oh, I'm sorry, when did the Israelis start committing genocide or state that they'd like to?

Look, it's got nothing to do with hating the Arabs. On the other hand, Hamas actually is an anti-Semetic organization. So, why don't I suggest that you're all anti-Semetic? Come on. Supporting Israel doesn't mean you hate Arabs - it means you don't like the people who broke this ceasefire that much (and that wasn't Israel, it was Hamas).

[Fragony]

I detect a failed argument that has now collapsed into incoherent, vague accusations and nihilistic raving.

And everybody cheers, but this isn't your university technologicallycoherentlytothepointspeaking.

So, what should Israel do, and how will it work, and why, and of course because.


[insert superior logic here]

[Watchman]

How about you call back when you're sober again ?

But if you want my opinion on what Israel should do, it starts with canning the idiotic "Biblical Israel" dream, dumping the loonies adhering to it to the political wilderness where they belong, and goddamn giving the Palestinians a viable plot of land to live on. One of the suggestions I've seen floated in diverse writings over the years involved the Palestinians in effect becoming a buffer state between Israel and Syria, Lebanon and Jordan...

[Fragony]

How about you call back when you're sober again ?

But if you want my opinion on what Israel should do, it starts with canning the idiotic "Biblical Israel" dream, dumping the loonies adhering to it to the political wilderness where they belong, and goddamn giving the Palestinians a viable plot of land to live on. One of the suggestions I've seen floated in diverse writings over the years involved the Palestinians in effect becoming a buffer state between Israel and Syria, Lebanon and Jordan...

So in short you want the west to keep distributing land? We know best after all.

[Watchman]

"The West" ? No, I want Israel to stop being an avaricious bully which is the main thing sustaining the conflict. They have that land ATM, groslly illegally I'll remind you.

Also, judging by the decades-long utter failure of Israeli policy to bring anything even approaching peace nevermind now a viable solution to the question of where the fig the Palestinians are actually suppose to live and how, I daresay they for sure don't "know best" so...

[Fragony]

"The West" ? No, I want Israel to stop being an avaricious bully which is the main thing sustaining the conflict.

That's what you lefties say, or rather 'have agreed upon'. I think I just can't handle the truth.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Gentlemen,

Let's cut out the ad hominems and personal attacks, please. If one finds a poster's viewpoint irritating or difficult to engage with, simply ignore them and move on.

Thank you kindly,

[Watchman]

That's what you lefties say, or rather 'have agreed upon'. I think I just can't handle the truth.

Uh-huh. Then kindly explain to me wtf Israel's doing building colonies - both official and unofficial - on land which by international law etc. belongs to the Palestinians ? Why the more militant settlers are actively harassing Palestinian farmers, damaging their crops, etc. ? (To be fair, I understand the IDF by and large detests those guys; they're busy enough without the extra trouble these fanatics stir up, but they still don't drag them back over the Jordan so...) And so on. The crap list's a long and unpleasant one.

[Fragony]

Uh-huh. Then kindly explain to me wtf Israel's doing building colonies - both official and unofficial - on land which by international law etc. belongs to the Palestinians ? Why the more militant settlers are actively harassing Palestinian farmers, damaging their crops, etc. ?

You know why because there are nutjobs on the other side as well. But the latest word in the media is "proportionality". But I think reacting to continious attacks is a pretty basic thing.

[Watchman]

And most of those issues are connected how exactly...? Coherence, please.
But maybe the Israelis shouldn't keep digging blood from their collective nose with those colonies and whatnot either. Might perhaps kind of tone down the level of "continuous attacks" if they didn't, no ?

[Fragony]

And most of those issues are connected how exactly...? Coherence, please.

I thought I was perfectly clear on all this so have you been Fragony hates muslims simple as that. So, we have cohence there, but this is your moment

[Watchman]

I thought I was perfectly clear on all this so have you been Fragony hates muslims simple as that. So, we have cohence there, but this is your moment

Incoherent again. Look, I really have better things to do than try to guess what you're trying to say. State yourself clearly or don't bother, 'kay ?

[Fragony]

edit: oh screw it gnight

[Incongruous]

Oh, I'm sorry, when did the Israelis start committing genocide or state that they'd like to?

Look, it's got nothing to do with hating the Arabs. On the other hand, Hamas actually is an anti-Semetic organization. So, why don't I suggest that you're all anti-Semetic? Come on. Supporting Israel doesn't mean you hate Arabs - it means you don't like the people who broke this ceasefire that much (and that wasn't Israel, it was Hamas).

First, let get the terms right, the Arabs are semites, so lets drop that one shall we for something else?

The ceasfire, well, Israel was denying the people of Gaza supplies of water, fuel and food, to the point where most Gazans are facing starvation, an act of war? Very much so.

Now to that real gem, when did the Israelis start commiting genocide?
Hmmm, did you bother reading that John Pilger link?

[Watchman]

*copy-paste*
*nonsense*

...
...and...? I mean, I know I posted that. I also know full well what I meant with it, and what I was answering to with it.
There's some "truth" for you. What of it ?

[Incongruous]

Hence too terrified to speak up, do you know any palestinians? Hamas is one sick organisation they aren't the poor and deprived organised, Hamas is the scum of the earth and it should be dead, gone, finito.

No they are not, you obviously have been reading some very strange websites Frag, Hamas was elected by a vast majority of Palestinians and they gain their support from there many charitable actions.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

First, let get the terms right, the Arabs are semites, so lets drop that one shall we for something else?

I love how you lot nitpick whenever a term doesn't suit you - but as inaccurate as the term may or may not be, it refers to "discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews" according to dictionary.com.

The ceasfire, well, Israel was denying the people of Gaza supplies of water, fuel and food, to the point where most Gazans are facing starvation, an act of war? Very much so.

Did you read the Globe and Mail article I linked to?

Now to that real gem, when did the Israelis start commiting genocide?
Hmmm, did you bother reading that John Pilger link?

Of course I did - but Israel isn't committing genocide. If they wanted to do so, I think that there wouldn't be many Palestinians left at the moment.