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    Why do Euros care so much?
    Why do you care about Iraq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan View Post
    Why do you care about Iraq?
    Don't even pretend the amount invested by Europe in Israel compares to the amount the US leadership invested in Iraq. WE did not invade Iraq- "elected"(being that Bush did not win the popular vote) leadership took us into the war. Now we've got our future tied to it. Is Europe(that is, European peoples) invested in the future of Israel in such a way?
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    Don't even pretend the amount invested by Europe in Israel compares to the amount the US leadership invested in Iraq. WE did not invade Iraq- "elected"(being that Bush did not win the popular vote) leadership took us into the war. Now we've got our future tied to it. Is Europe(that is, European peoples) invested in the future of Israel in such a way?
    I didn't ask you. I asked the person who cared about "let's free Iraq" for a long time. I know that many Americans had the same opinion before the war. Either that or they thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

    Anyway, what's wrong with talking about the Middle East? It's not as if we're having a fetish. Don't you think we wouldn't be having an Iraqi problem if people were more informative of Iraq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan View Post
    I didn't ask you. I asked the person who cared about "let's free Iraq" for a long time. I know that many Americans had the same opinion before the war. Either that or they thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

    Anyway, what's wrong with talking about the Middle East?












    I'm pretending to be European now.
    First- How should I know where you're from when you hide your location?

    Second- Perhaps those Americans believed the government when they stated there were WMDs in the possession of a guy like Hussein? I'm sure for enough Americans, that very thought, in the post-9/11 atmosphere was positively terrifying given the guy used chemical weapons on his own people.

    Third- I believe the overall point was that it gets tiresome to see Euros belittling each over in divisive debate over something in which they've far less invested(except, perhaps, the UK) than the US. It seems, to an outsider, an exercise in pointlessness. Especially when no side is exactly a bunch of angels.
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    Second- Perhaps those Americans believed the government when they stated there were WMDs in the possession of a guy like Hussein? I'm sure for enough Americans, that very thought, in the post-9/11 atmosphere was positively terrifying given the guy used chemical weapons on his own people.
    ...which shows how concerned about Iraq the Americans were. They considered Iraq as the same threat level as the 9/11ers and thus intervened. The people in this forum weren't even talking about intervening on Palestine or Israel.

    This is why people should be more interested in what goes on outside their country instead of following whatever the top man says. Much of the world outside the US were following the IAEA.

    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Third- I believe the overall point was that it gets tiresome to see Euros belittling each over in divisive debate over something in which they've far less invested(except, perhaps, the UK) than the US. It seems, to an outsider, an exercise in pointlessness. Especially when no side is exactly a bunch of angels.
    I just hope people will find a way to stop the violence that keeps on repeating. Sometimes I like to talk about the tragedies that I see when I can't do anything else about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka_Khan View Post
    ...which is why people should be more interested in what goes on outside their country instead of following whatever the top man says. Much of the world outside the US were following the IAEA.
    Indeed, informed electorates are what should make the base of democracy. However, I think it rather logical that people would listen to the man they elected rather than some man they man a world away, from a psychological perspective.


    I just hope people will find a way to stop the violence that keeps on repeating. Sometimes, I like to talk about the tragedies that I see when I can't do anything else about it.
    With the exception of a few well done posts by the like of Seamus, "talk" doesn't really describe every single Israel/Palestine thread since the inception of a backroom here. "Talk" would be great. Unfortunately, we tend to get treated to a mix of trolling, defiance, finger pointing, and blind nationalism instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Indeed, informed electorates are what should make the base of democracy. However, I think it rather logical that people would listen to the man they elected rather than some man they man a world away, from a psychological perspective.
    Now they know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    Third- I believe the overall point was that it gets tiresome to see Euros belittling each over in divisive debate over something in which they've far less invested(except, perhaps, the UK) than the US. It seems, to an outsider, an exercise in pointlessness. Especially when no side is exactly a bunch of angels.
    Well, this is the Backroom.

    It is kinda for debate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar View Post
    Well, this is the Backroom.

    It is kinda for debate...
    This thread is not an example of debate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seireikhaan View Post
    This thread is not an example of debate...
    No, it is a HEATED debate.

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