Great Heros! Geh!

[Fisherking]

No comment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7798497.stm

[naut]

Funny too, since he's Georgian and all.

Top Five so far:
Pyotr Stolypin, pre-Revolutionary statesman - 426,300
Alexander Nevsky, medieval warrior prince - 418,200
Alexander Pushkin, poet - 397,100 votes
Joseph Stalin, Soviet dictator - 397,000
Vladimir Lenin, Revolutionary leader - 342,400

Good list apart from Stalin.

[Fragony]

World War 2 was a crazy thing for the russians I can kinda understand this. Russians would have been much worse of under the germans.

[Kralizec]

Funny too, since he's Georgian and all.

Top Five so far:
Pyotr Stolypin, pre-Revolutionary statesman - 426,300
Alexander Nevsky, medieval warrior prince - 418,200
Alexander Pushkin, poet - 397,100 votes
Joseph Stalin, Soviet dictator - 397,000
Vladimir Lenin, Revolutionary leader - 342,400

Good list apart from Stalin.

Apart from Stalin and Lenin.

[JAG]

What the hell was wrong with Lenin? ... A great thinker and leader.

Also Stalin did some of the worst crimes commited by a leader, however he did save the Russian nation from destruction at the hands of the Nazi's. Churchill did some pretty horrendus acts, but we voted him #1 over here, for precisely the same reason. To think everyone who is voting for Stalin are sympathetic to his crimes, is ridiculous, maybe they just understand that he was a great Russian - and I don't think anyone can get away from that. Not to mention as the article states, no one involved in the show are hiding the crimes he commited.

[Fisherking]

What the hell was wrong with Lenin? ... A great thinker and leader.

Also Stalin did some of the worst crimes commited by a leader, however he did save the Russian nation from destruction at the hands of the Nazi's. Churchill did some pretty horrendus acts, but we voted him #1 over here, for precisely the same reason. To think everyone who is voting for Stalin are sympathetic to his crimes, is ridiculous, maybe they just understand that he was a great Russian - and I don't think anyone can get away from that. Not to mention as the article states, no one involved in the show are hiding the crimes he commited.

Yes you could be right!

Aside from being the greatest mass murderer in history, I am sure he could have been a pretty nice chap.

[JAG]

Yes you could be right!

Aside from being the greatest mass murderer in history, I am sure he could have been a pretty nice chap.

[rasoforos]

Aside from being the greatest mass murderer in history, I am sure he could have been a pretty nice chap.

He saved them from the Nazis. Many nations have murderous as heroes for the same reason.


The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't.

I find it a bit strange that since you dont have to be ethnic-russian to be on the list, Trotsky doesnt get more votes than Lenin.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

What the hell was wrong with Lenin? ... A great thinker and leader.

And responsible for what, three and a half million deaths?

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/econo...seum/his1g.htm

Also Stalin did some of the worst crimes commited by a leader, however he did save the Russian nation from destruction at the hands of the Nazi's.

So it would've been justified to vote for Hitler since/if he "saved" Germany from the communists?

I don't think so.

[rasoforos]

So it would've been justified to vote for Hitler since/if he "saved" Germany from the communists?

I don't think so.

Err...hmm....err...Hitler kind of lost :P

I m not saying its justified I am saying it makes sense (in the way mass human psychology makes sense)

[Kralizec]

What the hell was wrong with Lenin? ... A great thinker and leader.

He put himself in power with a putsch, executed not only the tzar but also all his children and installed a bureaucratic dictatorship that ended up killing dozens of millions. I consider these to be bad things.

Also Stalin did some of the worst crimes commited by a leader, however he did save the Russian nation from destruction at the hands of the Nazi's. Churchill did some pretty horrendus acts, but we voted him #1 over here, for precisely the same reason. To think everyone who is voting for Stalin are sympathetic to his crimes, is ridiculous, maybe they just understand that he was a great Russian - and I don't think anyone can get away from that. Not to mention as the article states, no one involved in the show are hiding the crimes he commited.

Churchill might have not been the most enlightened figure domestically, but comparing him to Stalin is a "bit" much.

He contributed absolutely nothing personally to the nazis' defeat. His purges of the army's officers, his slow reaction to the German invasion and his policies in general made the Soviet Union a very easy target initially and if he had been any more incompetent, it surely would have collapsed.

[Caius]

So, why do they choose Stalin? Because he was a communist or he was a tyrant?

[CrossLOPER]

So, why do they choose Stalin? Because he was a communist or he was a tyrant?

Of all the people who live and lived in the world, Stalin is among the last ones I would see as being so flat.

There were a few posts in the beginning which explored why Stalin's actions in life may have caused him to be so high in the list. Look them over.

[Spino]

So, why do they choose Stalin? Because he was a communist or he was a tyrant?

Because Stalin did what no Russian leader before or after has been able to accomplish; he brought Russia's empire (a.k.a the Soviet Union) closer to the coveted 'Alpha' position than anyone in history. In terms of land mass, raw materials, population and above all, military power, the Soviet Union was one of the greatest empires the world has ever seen. Shortcomings aside the Soviet Union inspired fear and loathing in all their enemies and everyone knew that with the exception of the United States, they could probably beat all comers in a conventional conflict. At least this was the understanding before the Soviet Union's military was exposed for the paper tiger it really was in Afghanistan. But since Afghanistan was considered a campaign and region of little concern few nationalistic Russians are willing to take seriously the terrible lessons learned there.

[Incongruous]

@Jag

Are you for real? Lenin had no respect for the people of Russia, he killed them just as easily as he embraced them.

[rvg]

Funny too, since he's Georgian and all.

Top Five so far:
Pyotr Stolypin, pre-Revolutionary statesman - 426,300
Alexander Nevsky, medieval warrior prince - 418,200
Alexander Pushkin, poet - 397,100 votes
Joseph Stalin, Soviet dictator - 397,000
Vladimir Lenin, Revolutionary leader - 342,400

Good list apart from Stalin.

Yeah, not a bad list at all, apart from Stalin. I'm actually pleasantly suprised to see that Stalin isn't in the top spot.

[Vladimir]

Really; who else do these people have to choose from? Stop looking for the best person and realize the least worst wins.

[Fisherking]

Really; who else do these people have to choose from? Stop looking for the best person and realize the least worst wins.

That is much too true, not just of Russia but of most of the western world, including elections.