The Real Meaning of Christmas

**Askthepizzaguy** · 12-30-2008, 11:31

Originally Posted by Sigurd

Nice...

What is funny then, is that those who use X-mas as a deliberate removal of Christ (I know this firsthand) is in fact subscribing to an ancient tradition where Christ is very present in the word.
I must convey this to those involved.

Thank you for the heads up pizzaguy.

If you see anyone deliberately trying to remove Christ from Christmas, send them to me.

Even from a non-religious standpoint, Christ wasn't a bad guy, and his life inspired people for thousands of years, great men like Gandhi and Martin Luther King, who both also are important to MY life. I'm totally non-religious and I deeply respect the man for his overwhelmingly positive influence on the world.

I give the militant anti-Christians a good smack upside the head and I say "no non-theist that's a bad non-theist. No, non-theist this is my Pot Pie! Get out of here! Bad non-theist!". And then they go away and worship themselves, which doesn't hurt anyone.

Though rumor has it your palms get hairy and then you go blind.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-30-2008, 11:56

That's an interesting viewpoint, Pizza. Just out of curiosity, what do you have to say about the Crusades?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 12-30-2008, 12:35

The crusades were a direct contradiction of the message Christ spread before his death.

That's irrefutable; Jesus was a pacifist. He fought no battles, raised no swords, and allowed himself to be captured without resistance and died for a cause. He refused to murder anyone for power, land, resources, or any other reason. It says in the Bible that you should not murder, and the crusades were mass murder sanctioned by the Pope, in direct violation of Christian teachings.

I suppose he thought it was OK to ignore the "word of God" if a few thousand Muslims got slaughtered in the process. I do not defend the Muslims either, their conquests were brutal and unnecessary.

Fortunately the Pope does not speak for all Christians. Orthodox, Protestant, and Nontrinitarians alike as well as some Catholics do not consider the Pope to be the sole representative of thier God, fortunately. My opinion of the current Pope is higher than some previous ones, but I still oppose the Papacy quite vehemently.

" I give you a new commandment,
that you love one another.
Just as I have loved you,
you also should love one another.
By this everyone will know
that you are my disciples,
if you have love for one another."

John 13:34-35

The crusades had nothing to do with love, and everything to do with politics, racism, xenophobia, ignorance, and unjust warfare.

This is why I contradict and challenge every single so-called Christian who takes up arms to invade a foreign land. Jesus would be furious. The so-called church and many of their followers are hypocrites for spreading this message, but then going against it.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 12-30-2008, 16:11

You anti-papists are missing the point.

It's best explained by Vice-Pope Eric (Number 2 at the Vatican) in conversation with Brian Stalin:

Of course people accuse us sometimes of not practising what we preach, but you must remember that if you're trying to propagate a creed of poverty, gentleness and tolerance, you need a very rich, powerful, authoritarian organisation to do it.