Heterogenes = Outsiders?

[Subotan]

No, there is no way to lose this. Possibly there should be, for instance if he gets a very prominent position or does something remarkable in battle. But some people will always hold his origin against him, and he'll typically get positive influence traits in these cases, so I think it's okay.

No, I agree with you. I was just wondering, that's all.

Even though the starting AS characters are Heterogenes? And seeing as ts a 100% chance to date, it hardly seems fair. Again, I go by the in-game text and the fact that never, ever, at any other time in any campaign have I gotten a FM with the Outsider trait unless it was a bribed enemy general. I mean, if they are going to be automatically saddled with a -1 influence penalty why not just put that into the ethnicity and not a separate trait. And if they get a -1 then shouldn't all the various non-Hellene ethnicities have worse, much like an Aigyptian ethnicity in the Ptolemaics gets a -2? As far as I am concerned, my point is still valid.

I think Heterogenes should get -1, and that similar conditions be placed on all factions, e.g. Hellenes with the Qarthadasti.