Medieval 2:Total War Online Game [Concluded]

[Jolt]

Alliances will be a difficult thing to manage, especially when people supporting the same faction of conflicting views on whether a faction should be allied to that other faction or not. Because of that, I suppose Factions should have a King/External Policy Leader (Simply meaning a person who decides who the factions allies to). Imagining I didn't like the Mayans but glyphz did. I'd be cancelling the alliance everytime I post and glyphz'd be making the alliance everytime he posts, for instance. It'd suck.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It should be illegal for states to be allied when one is engaged in removing points from the ally of the other.

There should be rules which automatically negate an alliance. And there should be time limits or something, so one cannot forge an alliance just to gain a bunch of points, then cancel it immediately.

More thinking needs to be put into the alliance system, methinks. Otherwise I don't understand it.

[Thermal]

yeah, instead you should do an ultrawar, like i did a while back, every faction has a 1 representative and them alone decide all motives for that faction, all untaken factions should be removed, and people without a faction should not be able to vote

i pick mayans if u think this is an ok system

[ULC]

Well, all of you bring up very good points about the alliance system, but I'd like to make it clear - only those who originally forged the Alliance can break it. For instance, the Alliance between Mayans and Portugal can only be broken by Glyphz or Ares - thus that faction in the end does end up with an "ambassador, or foreign relations minster".

Also, by an Alliances very nature, makes it moot to remove points from your ally and giving a point to yourself - the mechanic will negate any change.

As for time limits - I didn't add any because I wanted some serious backstabbing, but, that is a good point, so either we start from the beginning again, or from now on all Alliance last a minimum of 96 hours (or a better suggested time).

Thoughts?

[glyphz]

I have sent a message to Jolt concerning his interests about the Portuguese-Mayan alliance. As Jolt was the first to support Portugal, I recognize him as the one who has the final say on alliances. If he wishes to break the alliance, I will do so.

[shlin28]

Mongols +1
Timurids -1

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England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 7
Holy Roman Empire - 11
Venice - 10
Portugal - 13
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 11
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 8
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 10
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 12
Timurids - 8
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 12
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

The Mongols demands tributes from lesser nations, lest they be destroyed by the HORDE! FOR THE HORDE!

[Thermal]

I have sent a message to Jolt concerning his interests about the Portuguese-Mayan alliance. As Jolt was the first to support Portugal, I recognize him as the one who has the final say on alliances. If he wishes to break the alliance, I will do so.

i hope he agrees with out alliance

YLC i wouldnt start again unless you give each faction 5 points, this will take centuries to finish as it is

[Jolt]

The alliance with the Mayans is on. Death to the Spanish guys! Has anyone read my suggestion of the point addition thingy? It's pretty clear imo.

Might I propose, for the sake of a relatively speedy finish, that per three factions destroyed, the points moved will be increased by one. For instance, after the first three factions are destroyed, everyone starts taking 2 points, instead of one. After six, the points moved will be three, and so on. Since this game has a huge number of factions, and once factions start getting a gigantic number of points, we'll never leave this place.
Once we reach, the 5 points per move, we'll divide every faction score by 5 to reset it to moving by one, and round it up by excess, to simplify the matters.

Meaning as the factions successively go down, the points taken per daily action increase.

[Beefy187]

End alliance with Papal State

However Mr ATPG, I object to attacking the Pope (Yoyoma). He was our ally and he will be our ally in the near future. Right now we have Antioch to deal with

+1 Turks
-1 Antioch

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England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 7
Holy Roman Empire - 11
Venice - 10
Portugal - 13
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 11
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 8
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 12
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[glyphz]

The alliance with the Mayans is on.

+1 Portugal/Mayans
-1 Spain

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England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 5
Holy Roman Empire - 11
Venice - 10
Portugal - 14
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 11
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 8
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 13
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

I think Spain is down to 5, rather than 6 with (-1 Day1 (Ares), -3 Day2 (Ares, Jolt, glyphz), -1 Day3 (glyphz))

[ULC]

Your tally is accurate Glyphz

HRE/Norway +1
Papal States -1

England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 5
Holy Roman Empire - 12
Venice - 10
Portugal - 14
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 12
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 8
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 13
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Alliances
HRE/Norway (Sigurd and YLC)
Mayans/Portugal (Ares and Glyphz)

[Sigurd]

Your tally is accurate Glyphz

But yours is not

HRE/Norway +1
Papal States -1

England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 5
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 14
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 6
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 13
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Alliances
HRE/Norway (Sigurd and YLC)
Mayans/Portugal (Ares and Glyphz)

[ULC]

Grr...well, first time for everyhting

[Jolt]

I duly also share the right of alliance forging and destroying with glyphz

Portugal/Mayans +1
Spain -1

England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 4
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 15
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 6
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 14
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Alliances
HRE/Norway (Sigurd and YLC)
Mayans/Portugal (Ares and Jolt/Glyphz)

Wait...Shouldn't allied factions attacking non-allied factions take 2 points? One for each? Because by taking one point from Spain and giving one to Portugal and to the Mayans, we are creating points...

[ULC]

Grrr...getting complicated

I am very tired right now, and although your solution sounds very agreeable, I think we would have to start over.

[Jolt]

Using these rule, the Papal States and Spain have two less points each. That is all the changes there are.

Anyways, corrected tally:

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England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 2
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 15
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 14
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

Corrected.

[Thermal]

England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 1
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Jolt]

No Ares, you need to take two points from Spain, since it's one point for Portugal and one point for Mayans.
Thus, Spain is the first country to collapse!

England - 4
France - 10
Spain - 0!
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 14
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[glyphz]

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[Yoyoma1910]

These rules move like a serpent.

[glyphz]

These rules move like a serpent.

It does look that way.
But the changes do make sense, no?
Points aren't generated or lost. They simply change hands.
Follows the Laws of Conservation of Total War Online Games points

:edit: Checked the current tally. I count 340 points for 33 factions (minus the Kingdom of Spain/Leon-Castille).
All's well.

[Veho Nex]

William Wallace has surfaced and leads Scotland against the weakening English king

England - 3
France - 10
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 15
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Rhyfelwyr]

Bannockburn:

Scotland +1
England -1

England - 2
France - 10
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Yoyoma1910]

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(The Pope moves his seat to Avignon.)

France +1
England -1

France offers Alliance between Scotland and France.

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 11
Timurids - 9
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[shlin28]

Guys... there is a mistake!

My post here added 1 to Mongols and took away 1 from the Timurids... yet look and behold, when Beefy made the next post, my points were gone!

So all of the later scores should have Mongols as 12 and Timurids as 8.

The correct one will be :

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England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 12
Timurids - 8
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

and +1 mongols and -1 Timurids and we get...

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England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 11
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 11
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

[Tiberius of the Drake]

+1 Antioch
-1 Turks

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 11
Wales - 11
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 10
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

The Seljuks must be turned back before they overtake the holy land for the infidel once more.
To prevent this I offer this proposal. antioch wishes to form an alliance. Form an alliance with the Papacy

Bohemund I of Antioch

[Yoyoma1910]

Hi, you've reached the Papacy, we're not in right now, and have moved our offices elsewhere. Please leave a message, or try to reach us at our new number. Thanks.


*BEEP*

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Hey...its just me Bohemund. Im a calling about that whole alliance thing. Now I know your busy with setting up your new place in Avignon but I would appreciate it if you could get back to me as soon as possible. Its kinda important as the Holy land is being encroached upon. You can reach me at 1-326-490-5729*. Thanks ahead of time.

(*Please do not actually call this number, i made it up))

[White_eyes:D]

As I can't give a screen shot of a Welsh longbow men owning a English men.....I will start my Campaign against Ireland instead and leave it to the Scots.....
Wales +1
Ireland -1

England - 1
France - 11
Holy Roman Empire - 13
Venice - 10
Portugal - 16
Scotland - 16
Ireland - 10
Wales - 12
Denmark - 9
Norway - 13
Genoa - 9
Sicily - 10
Papal States - 4
Poland - 10
Hungary - 10
Byzantium - 9
Russia - 11
Novgorod - 9
Lithuania - 10
Teutonic Order - 10
Moors - 10
Turks - 10
Egypt - 10
Jerusalem - 10
Antioch - 12
Mongols - 13
Timurids - 7
Aztecs - 10
Mayans - 15
Tarascans - 10
Tlaxcalans - 10
Apache - 10
Chichimeca - 10

BTW...still up for that alliance France...? (I know we both want to ally the Scots though..)

Edit: Guys Please BOLD what changes.....I had no idea somebody was voting as Ireland and may have triggered a war because of it....

[Yoyoma1910]

Papal states accepts Alliance of Papal States with Antioch.

Offer of Alliance of France with Antioch and Alliance of France and Wales
.