Converts...from Islam to Christianity?

[Megas Methuselah]

Don't take the guy seriously. He's just being bitter.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I have never once had an atheist try to convert me, ... im sure there are atheists who try to force thier beliefs on others, ...

You ought to read more Backroom threads.

[Fragony]

The way HoreTore worded his post was obviously a little strange. However, yes, I have seen (and I presume he has seen as well) atheists distributing flyers saying that religion is wrong.

Atheists are much more pushy indeed. Christians accepts atheism, and I never have Jehova's at my door, had one in the 7 years I live here, gave her a cup of coffee was raining like hell and politely said I wasn't interested and that was all there was to it.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

So what? Why on earth should I care...?

Take it as a compliment they care about your being in their afterlife. Other then that, get over it.

[Fragony]

Kinda funny how the most anti-religion are usually the same people who are convinced the earth is warming up. Coincidence, I think not.

[HoreTore]

Take it as a compliment they care about your being in their afterlife. Other then that, get over it.

1. I don't care what they think of me.
2. I won't get over it as long as they keep pestering me. If the missionaries could just keep their bloody faith to themselves like most religious people, I wouldn't have a problem.

Kinda funny how the most anti-religion are usually the same people who are convinced the earth is warming up. Coincidence, I think not.

Do you know my stance on enviromentalism, Frags?

And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda. My stance on religious/existential issues is impossible to push on others, because my stance is apathy and "could not care or interest me in the slightest".... Pretty hard to work up the energy to spread apathy...

[Lorenzo_H]

I'm sorry, but I have yet to see atheists(or any other non-christian) do any of the following:

- distribute flyers telling you you're going to hell if you don't follow the true religion
- stand around in streets or whatever to preach
- send missionaries on door to door missions*
- organize massive rallies to convert people
- organize miracle rallies to make people believe

....and this is just a few of the billion number of extremely annoying ways the christians use to convert people. Please stop. I'm tired.



Not any more, because I'm switched jobs. However, at my old job, every day I went to buy some lunch, and on my way to buy said lunch, I would be pestered by the same idiot handing out the watchtower. First on my way there, then once again on the way back

*this one is by far the most annoying one

Seen Athiests try to convert people, Charles Dawkins for instance, but also people I have met.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Atheists have converted me. To Roman Catholicism.

On Long Island , the notion that Christians try to convert and Atheists don't is laughable.

[Fragony]

And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.

Hey I can relate, I am atheist from the Dutch biblebelt I feel your pain glad I am out of there

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.

Don't like being on the receiving end for once, do you?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Seen Athiests try to convert people, Charles Dawkins for instance, but also people I have met.

Richard Dawkins, actually, Charles Darwin. Dawkins is a sad example of redicalisation in the face of radicalisation. He has ceased to be a respectable scientist as far as I am concerned, his current project is researching whether fanciful children's stories are harmful to young minds, no seriously.

[HoreTore]

Don't like being on the receiving end for once, do you?

As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.

I wasn't talking about missionary work, I was talking about your reaction to my statements on certain militant atheists.

[HoreTore]

I wasn't talking about missionary work, I was talking about your reaction to my statements on certain militant atheists.

They have nothing to do with me

In fact, they have as little to do with me as the idiots who go banging on my door every now and then have to do with you. I've never seen any "missionary atheist", the best I've seen is "atheist who ridicules", so I can't really comment on that... Unless, of course, you think that when someone is ridiculing a persons faith they're actually trying to convert them.

[Lord Winter]

As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.

Its kind of like how a lot of the more theistic members of the .Org feel whenever religion is brought up.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They have nothing to do with me

In fact, they have as little to do with me as the idiots who go banging on my door every now and then have to do with you. I've never seen any "missionary atheist", the best I've seen is "atheist who ridicules", so I can't really comment on that... Unless, of course, you think that when someone is ridiculing a persons faith they're actually trying to convert them.

Actually, risiculing (or negating, if you want to be polite) someone's belief is the first step in conversion. You ridicule Christianity all the time, pretty much every thread we have you attack religion and Christianity in particular. You've done it here, complaining about people forcing their beliefs on others, and you insist on tarring all Christians with the fundamentalist brush.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I suppose the vast majority of atheists/agnostics are fine and don't impose on anyone's beliefs, but the minority who do are pretty annoying.

A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?

[Mooks]

Perhaps it is a matter of location, but I've always had many more militant atheists trying to talk me into following their quasi-religion.

Do tell me how somebody trying to talk you into something is militant in the least?

A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?

Because atheists see religion from the outside, and from the outside it looks very very very stupid. Im sure theres a fair number of the "annoying" atheists out there that are trying to help you out by saving you 10% of your income and a great deal of your time.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Do tell me how somebody trying to talk you into something is militant in the least?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militan...litant_atheism

Shouting down is also a little different than talking - though most do talk.

[Mooks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militan...litant_atheism

Shouting down is also a little different than talking - though most do talk.

The Khmer Rouge were militant atheists. The soviets were militant atheists. A atheist trying to engage you in a debate -even if hes rude- is not militant. To even call him militant is just a lame attempt to insult atheists, similar to calling atheism a religion or calling Richard Dawkins our high priest.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The Khmer Rouge were militant atheists. The soviets were militant atheists. A atheist trying to engage you in a debate -even if hes rude- is not militant. To even call him militant is just a lame attempt to insult atheists, similar to calling atheism a religion or calling Richard Dawkins our high priest.

"Today the term is sometimes used pejoratively by theists to describe people believed to campaign actively or outspokenly for atheism and against religion."

[Mooks]

"Today the term is sometimes used pejoratively by theists to describe people believed to campaign actively or outspokenly for atheism and against religion."

e·jor·a·tive (pĭ-jôr'ə-tĭv, -jŏr'-, pěj'ə-rā'tĭv, pē'jə-) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Tending to make or become worse.
2. Disparaging; belittling.


So basically its the same thing as I said. Basically a lame insult.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So basically its the same thing as I said. Basically a lame insult.

An atheist trying to engage to in debate is not militant, as long as he stops once he realizes you don't want to talk about it. An atheist insulting your religion, trying to bash your viewpoint into the ground, and/or persistently trying to convert you is a militant atheist.

[Mooks]

An atheist trying to engage to in debate is not militant, as long as he stops once he realizes you don't want to talk about it. An atheist insulting your religion, trying to bash your viewpoint into the ground, and/or persistently trying to convert you is a militant atheist.

No, hes a dick. Or rude, or unpolite.

If he sticks a weapon in your face, then hes militant.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

No, hes a dick. Or rude, or unpolite.

If he sticks a weapon in your face, then hes militant.

mil⋅i⋅tant [mil-i-tuhnt]
–adjective
1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause: militant reformers.
2. engaged in warfare; fighting.

[Mooks]

I concede that I was wrong on the definition of the word "militant". Though atheists can easily toss that word around too, just as much as theists do and right back at them. Which makes it....a lame insult.

[Lorenzo_H]

Richard Dawkins, actually, Charles Darwin. Dawkins is a sad example of redicalisation in the face of radicalisation. He has ceased to be a respectable scientist as far as I am concerned, his current project is researching whether fanciful children's stories are harmful to young minds, no seriously.

Richard Dawkins, thanks. I always confuse the two.

He does seem a bit infatuated with killing the thought of God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g

Perhaps a cliched video among creationists, but certainly interested me.

[HoreTore]

Its kind of like how a lot of the more theistic members of the .Org feel whenever religion is brought up.

If there is no missionaries present, I see no reason why anyone would feel I'm "attacking them" or that I am "against them". If I had tried to pin it on the religious people in the forum, I would be widely off the mark. I can't see that I've been off the mark so far.

Actually, risiculing (or negating, if you want to be polite) someone's belief is the first step in conversion. You ridicule Christianity all the time, pretty much every thread we have you attack religion and Christianity in particular. You've done it here, complaining about people forcing their beliefs on others, and you insist on tarring all Christians with the fundamentalist brush.

Uhm, no. Several mistakes:

1. I've talked about missionaries. The ones banging on my door or approaching me on the streets. How is that "tarring all christians"? I'd say it's a pretty small(but very annoying) part of christianity.
2. Ridicule is the first step of conversion? Art thou insane? What on earth am I trying to convert them to then? My Glorious Religion of Absolutely Nothing? The Church of Don't Care? How is that possible?
3. I attack conservatives and market-libbies all the time. Religious issues is a side-issue for me. It's not my fault christians mostly position themselves on the conservative wing when it comes to issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc. Get on the socialist side, start supporting gays and abortion, and we'll bicker a lot less

I suppose the vast majority of atheists/agnostics are fine and don't impose on anyone's beliefs, but the minority who do are pretty annoying.

So then, you really should understand my problem with missionaries

[Rhyfelwyr]

So then, you really should understand my problem with missionaries

I do, I admit I used to joke about door-to-door evangelisers before I was a Christian. However, the difference between 'missionaries' and 'militant atheists' is that the missionaries tend to at least be polite when approaching people. Militant atheists, if I may use the term, do not approach people because they want to help them, but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever. There are of course exceptions on both sides, but generally speaking this is what seems to be the case.

Just remember I am talking about a fringe of atheists.

[Mooks]

but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever.

Just remember I am talking about a fringe of atheists.

Explain to me the difference in "destroying their worldview" when atheists are trying to deconvert or theists trying to convert.

(Taking off the god goggles is a big change in worldview though)