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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
I have never once had an atheist try to convert me, ... im sure there are atheists who try to force thier beliefs on others, ...
You ought to read more Backroom threads. I have never once had an atheist try to convert me, ... im sure there are atheists who try to force thier beliefs on others, ...
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
The way HoreTore worded his post was obviously a little strange. However, yes, I have seen (and I presume he has seen as well) atheists distributing flyers saying that religion is wrong.
Atheists are much more pushy indeed. Christians accepts atheism, and I never have Jehova's at my door, had one in the 7 years I live here, gave her a cup of coffee was raining like hell and politely said I wasn't interested and that was all there was to it.The way HoreTore worded his post was obviously a little strange. However, yes, I have seen (and I presume he has seen as well) atheists distributing flyers saying that religion is wrong.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
So what? Why on earth should I care...?
Take it as a compliment they care about your being in their afterlife. Other then that, get over it.So what? Why on earth should I care...?
Kinda funny how the most anti-religion are usually the same people who are convinced the earth is warming up. Coincidence, I think not.
Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon:
Take it as a compliment they care about your being in their afterlife. Other then that, get over it.
1. I don't care what they think of me.Take it as a compliment they care about your being in their afterlife. Other then that, get over it.
2. I won't get over it as long as they keep pestering me. If the missionaries could just keep their bloody faith to themselves like most religious people, I wouldn't have a problem.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Kinda funny how the most anti-religion are usually the same people who are convinced the earth is warming up. Coincidence, I think not.
Do you know my stance on enviromentalism, Frags? Kinda funny how the most anti-religion are usually the same people who are convinced the earth is warming up. Coincidence, I think not.
And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda. My stance on religious/existential issues is impossible to push on others, because my stance is apathy and "could not care or interest me in the slightest".... Pretty hard to work up the energy to spread apathy...
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I'm sorry, but I have yet to see atheists(or any other non-christian) do any of the following:
- distribute flyers telling you you're going to hell if you don't follow the true religion
- stand around in streets or whatever to preach
- send missionaries on door to door missions*
- organize massive rallies to convert people
- organize miracle rallies to make people believe
....and this is just a few of the billion number of extremely annoying ways the christians use to convert people. Please stop. I'm tired.
Not any more, because I'm switched jobs. However, at my old job, every day I went to buy some lunch, and on my way to buy said lunch, I would be pestered by the same idiot handing out the watchtower. First on my way there, then once again on the way back
*this one is by far the most annoying one
Seen Athiests try to convert people, Charles Dawkins for instance, but also people I have met.I'm sorry, but I have yet to see atheists(or any other non-christian) do any of the following:
- distribute flyers telling you you're going to hell if you don't follow the true religion
- stand around in streets or whatever to preach
- send missionaries on door to door missions*
- organize massive rallies to convert people
- organize miracle rallies to make people believe
....and this is just a few of the billion number of extremely annoying ways the christians use to convert people. Please stop. I'm tired.
Not any more, because I'm switched jobs. However, at my old job, every day I went to buy some lunch, and on my way to buy said lunch, I would be pestered by the same idiot handing out the watchtower. First on my way there, then once again on the way back
*this one is by far the most annoying one
Atheists have converted me. To Roman Catholicism.
On Long Island , the notion that Christians try to convert and Atheists don't is laughable.
On Long Island , the notion that Christians try to convert and Atheists don't is laughable.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.
Hey I can relate, I am atheist from the Dutch biblebelt I feel your pain glad I am out of thereAnd quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.
Don't like being on the receiving end for once, do you?And quit the "atheists do this and that" yadda yadda.
Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H:
Seen Athiests try to convert people, Charles Dawkins for instance, but also people I have met.
Richard Dawkins, actually, Charles Darwin. Dawkins is a sad example of redicalisation in the face of radicalisation. He has ceased to be a respectable scientist as far as I am concerned, his current project is researching whether fanciful children's stories are harmful to young minds, no seriously.Seen Athiests try to convert people, Charles Dawkins for instance, but also people I have met.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Don't like being on the receiving end for once, do you?
As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.Don't like being on the receiving end for once, do you?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.
I wasn't talking about missionary work, I was talking about your reaction to my statements on certain militant atheists.As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
I wasn't talking about missionary work, I was talking about your reaction to my statements on certain militant atheists.
They have nothing to do with me I wasn't talking about missionary work, I was talking about your reaction to my statements on certain militant atheists.
In fact, they have as little to do with me as the idiots who go banging on my door every now and then have to do with you. I've never seen any "missionary atheist", the best I've seen is "atheist who ridicules", so I can't really comment on that... Unless, of course, you think that when someone is ridiculing a persons faith they're actually trying to convert them.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.
Its kind of like how a lot of the more theistic members of the .Org feel whenever religion is brought up.As I have never, ever, not even once, engaged in any kind of missionary activity, it's widely off the mark. It's very appropriate when leveled at missionaries though.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
They have nothing to do with me
In fact, they have as little to do with me as the idiots who go banging on my door every now and then have to do with you. I've never seen any "missionary atheist", the best I've seen is "atheist who ridicules", so I can't really comment on that... Unless, of course, you think that when someone is ridiculing a persons faith they're actually trying to convert them.
Actually, risiculing (or negating, if you want to be polite) someone's belief is the first step in conversion. You ridicule Christianity all the time, pretty much every thread we have you attack religion and Christianity in particular. You've done it here, complaining about people forcing their beliefs on others, and you insist on tarring all Christians with the fundamentalist brush.They have nothing to do with me
In fact, they have as little to do with me as the idiots who go banging on my door every now and then have to do with you. I've never seen any "missionary atheist", the best I've seen is "atheist who ridicules", so I can't really comment on that... Unless, of course, you think that when someone is ridiculing a persons faith they're actually trying to convert them.
I suppose the vast majority of atheists/agnostics are fine and don't impose on anyone's beliefs, but the minority who do are pretty annoying.
A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?
A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Perhaps it is a matter of location, but I've always had many more militant atheists trying to talk me into following their quasi-religion.
Do tell me how somebody trying to talk you into something is militant in the least? Perhaps it is a matter of location, but I've always had many more militant atheists trying to talk me into following their quasi-religion.
Originally Posted by :
A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?
Because atheists see religion from the outside, and from the outside it looks very very very stupid. Im sure theres a fair number of the "annoying" atheists out there that are trying to help you out by saving you 10% of your income and a great deal of your time.A Christians beliefs demand that they evangelise, yet it's not necessary for atheists, so why do it?
Originally Posted by Mooks:
Do tell me how somebody trying to talk you into something is militant in the least?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militan...litant_atheismDo tell me how somebody trying to talk you into something is militant in the least?
Shouting down is also a little different than talking - though most do talk.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militan...litant_atheism
Shouting down is also a little different than talking - though most do talk.
The Khmer Rouge were militant atheists. The soviets were militant atheists. A atheist trying to engage you in a debate -even if hes rude- is not militant. To even call him militant is just a lame attempt to insult atheists, similar to calling atheism a religion or calling Richard Dawkins our high priest.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militan...litant_atheism
Shouting down is also a little different than talking - though most do talk.
Originally Posted by Mooks:
The Khmer Rouge were militant atheists. The soviets were militant atheists. A atheist trying to engage you in a debate -even if hes rude- is not militant. To even call him militant is just a lame attempt to insult atheists, similar to calling atheism a religion or calling Richard Dawkins our high priest.
"Today the term is sometimes used pejoratively by theists to describe people believed to campaign actively or outspokenly for atheism and against religion."The Khmer Rouge were militant atheists. The soviets were militant atheists. A atheist trying to engage you in a debate -even if hes rude- is not militant. To even call him militant is just a lame attempt to insult atheists, similar to calling atheism a religion or calling Richard Dawkins our high priest.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
"Today the term is sometimes used pejoratively by theists to describe people believed to campaign actively or outspokenly for atheism and against religion."
e·jor·a·tive (pĭ-jôr'ə-tĭv, -jŏr'-, pěj'ə-rā'tĭv, pē'jə-) Pronunciation Key "Today the term is sometimes used pejoratively by theists to describe people believed to campaign actively or outspokenly for atheism and against religion."
adj.
1. Tending to make or become worse.
2. Disparaging; belittling.
So basically its the same thing as I said. Basically a lame insult.
Originally Posted by Mooks:
So basically its the same thing as I said. Basically a lame insult.
An atheist trying to engage to in debate is not militant, as long as he stops once he realizes you don't want to talk about it. An atheist insulting your religion, trying to bash your viewpoint into the ground, and/or persistently trying to convert you is a militant atheist.So basically its the same thing as I said. Basically a lame insult.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
An atheist trying to engage to in debate is not militant, as long as he stops once he realizes you don't want to talk about it. An atheist insulting your religion, trying to bash your viewpoint into the ground, and/or persistently trying to convert you is a militant atheist.
No, hes a dick. Or rude, or unpolite. An atheist trying to engage to in debate is not militant, as long as he stops once he realizes you don't want to talk about it. An atheist insulting your religion, trying to bash your viewpoint into the ground, and/or persistently trying to convert you is a militant atheist.
If he sticks a weapon in your face, then hes militant.
Originally Posted by Mooks:
No, hes a dick. Or rude, or unpolite.
If he sticks a weapon in your face, then hes militant.
No, hes a dick. Or rude, or unpolite.
If he sticks a weapon in your face, then hes militant.
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com:
mil⋅i⋅tant [mil-i-tuhnt]
–adjective
1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause: militant reformers.
2. engaged in warfare; fighting.
mil⋅i⋅tant [mil-i-tuhnt]
–adjective
1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause: militant reformers.
2. engaged in warfare; fighting.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
I concede that I was wrong on the definition of the word "militant". Though atheists can easily toss that word around too, just as much as theists do and right back at them. Which makes it....a lame insult.Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
Richard Dawkins, actually, Charles Darwin. Dawkins is a sad example of redicalisation in the face of radicalisation. He has ceased to be a respectable scientist as far as I am concerned, his current project is researching whether fanciful children's stories are harmful to young minds, no seriously.
Richard Dawkins, thanks. I always confuse the two.Richard Dawkins, actually, Charles Darwin. Dawkins is a sad example of redicalisation in the face of radicalisation. He has ceased to be a respectable scientist as far as I am concerned, his current project is researching whether fanciful children's stories are harmful to young minds, no seriously.
He does seem a bit infatuated with killing the thought of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g
Perhaps a cliched video among creationists, but certainly interested me.
Originally Posted by Lord Winter:
Its kind of like how a lot of the more theistic members of the .Org feel whenever religion is brought up.
If there is no missionaries present, I see no reason why anyone would feel I'm "attacking them" or that I am "against them". If I had tried to pin it on the religious people in the forum, I would be widely off the mark. I can't see that I've been off the mark so far.Its kind of like how a lot of the more theistic members of the .Org feel whenever religion is brought up.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
Actually, risiculing (or negating, if you want to be polite) someone's belief is the first step in conversion. You ridicule Christianity all the time, pretty much every thread we have you attack religion and Christianity in particular. You've done it here, complaining about people forcing their beliefs on others, and you insist on tarring all Christians with the fundamentalist brush.
Uhm, no. Several mistakes:Actually, risiculing (or negating, if you want to be polite) someone's belief is the first step in conversion. You ridicule Christianity all the time, pretty much every thread we have you attack religion and Christianity in particular. You've done it here, complaining about people forcing their beliefs on others, and you insist on tarring all Christians with the fundamentalist brush.
1. I've talked about missionaries. The ones banging on my door or approaching me on the streets. How is that "tarring all christians"? I'd say it's a pretty small(but very annoying) part of christianity.
2. Ridicule is the first step of conversion? Art thou insane? What on earth am I trying to convert them to then? My Glorious Religion of Absolutely Nothing? The Church of Don't Care? How is that possible?
3. I attack conservatives and market-libbies all the time. Religious issues is a side-issue for me. It's not my fault christians mostly position themselves on the conservative wing when it comes to issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc. Get on the socialist side, start supporting gays and abortion, and we'll bicker a lot less
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
I suppose the vast majority of atheists/agnostics are fine and don't impose on anyone's beliefs, but the minority who do are pretty annoying.
So then, you really should understand my problem with missionaries I suppose the vast majority of atheists/agnostics are fine and don't impose on anyone's beliefs, but the minority who do are pretty annoying.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
So then, you really should understand my problem with missionaries
I do, I admit I used to joke about door-to-door evangelisers before I was a Christian. However, the difference between 'missionaries' and 'militant atheists' is that the missionaries tend to at least be polite when approaching people. Militant atheists, if I may use the term, do not approach people because they want to help them, but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever. There are of course exceptions on both sides, but generally speaking this is what seems to be the case.So then, you really should understand my problem with missionaries
Just remember I am talking about a fringe of atheists.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever.
Just remember I am talking about a fringe of atheists.
Explain to me the difference in "destroying their worldview" when atheists are trying to deconvert or theists trying to convert. but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever.
Just remember I am talking about a fringe of atheists.
(Taking off the god goggles is a big change in worldview though)
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