Virginity Pledges are NOT effective (yes I know the sky is blue)

**Lorenzo_H** · 01-06-2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Ronin

I will accept the first part of that sentence...but the second part seems to be fiction at the very least...

Hate to contradict you, but while I have in the past given it (and since regretted it, not because it wasn't enjoyable, but for reasons I have expressed in earlier posts), the number of times I have refused to receive oral sex is more than I can count in my head. I am male, before you ask

. There are certainly a lot of people who don't like receiving it, I know others as well.

The reason I don't do it is because honestly, I hate the idea of reducing a girl to that. I would feel almost bestial. I wouldn't feel good about making a girl I like do me such a menial favour. The amount of girls I have known who were abused by that whole system of thinking and the whole cycle and culture is very painful for me to recall. Who knows, maybe I shall do it in future, hopefully when I am committed to someone for life.

**rasoforos** · 01-06-2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H

The reason I don't do it is because honestly, I hate the idea of reducing a girl to that. I would feel almost bestial. I wouldn't feel good about making a girl I like do me such a menial favour.

Its good to have a clear cut idea of why you do/dont want to do something. However I do not understand why you would feel this way.

Why should you think that a girl is 'reduced' by giving oral sex?

There is no 'shame' in sex. Two adults agree to have fun and as long as they both enjoy anything goes. Society fills us with all that 'shame' mumbo jumbo when we are young.

Why is it a menial favour? Your partner wants to do something to please you and sometimes pleasing your other half without expecting something in return is much better than the greatest sex ever. Its Altruistic and not menial.

As far as 'bestial' . Far from it, its very human, no animal does it ( I think)

**Ronin** · 01-06-2009, 19:59

Originally Posted by rasoforos

Its good to have a clear cut idea of why you do/dont want to do something. However I do not understand why you would feel this way.

Why should you think that a girl is 'reduced' by giving oral sex?

There is no 'shame' in sex. Two adults agree to have fun and as long as they both enjoy anything goes. Society fills us with all that 'shame' mumbo jumbo when we are young.

Why is it a menial favour? Your partner wants to do something to please you and sometimes pleasing your other half without expecting something in return is much better than the greatest sex ever. Its Altruistic and not menial.

As far as 'bestial' . Far from it, its very human, no animal does it ( I think)

Quoted....For.....Truth....

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 01-06-2009, 20:15

Neither are contraceptives. Only partially. The same for head start. But it 0 effect after a few years. Now I hear the FEDS want to make pre school mandatory.

**Lorenzo_H** · 01-06-2009, 20:21

Originally Posted by rasoforos

Its good to have a clear cut idea of why you do/dont want to do something. However I do not understand why you would feel this way.

Why should you think that a girl is 'reduced' by giving oral sex?

There is no 'shame' in sex. Two adults agree to have fun and as long as they both enjoy anything goes. Society fills us with all that 'shame' mumbo jumbo when we are young.

Why is it a menial favour? Your partner wants to do something to please you and sometimes pleasing your other half without expecting something in return is much better than the greatest sex ever. Its Altruistic and not menial.

As far as 'bestial' . Far from it, its very human, no animal does it ( I think)

Ever since a guy who forced a girl, who I am good friends with, to do it, I cannot even contemplate it. I guess my mentality is very particular, because of my own experiences; I just don't want to remind any girl of that kind of guy. I have a fixation that by doing it, it will give the impression, subconciously, that I am with the girl only for physical action, and that her worth to me is determined by that.

**rasoforos** · 01-06-2009, 21:02

Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H

Ever since a guy who forced a girl, who I am good friends with, to do it, I cannot even contemplate it. I guess my mentality is very particular, because of my own experiences; I just don't want to remind any girl of that kind of guy. I have a fixation that by doing it, it will give the impression, subconciously, that I am with the girl only for physical action, and that her worth to me is determined by that.

I understand. It does you credit to be so concerned. However, just because one man is a total

, it does not mean that girls will associate you with him. We cannot be held accountable for the sins of the whole male population. I see your point though.

Just a reminded. A woman's mouth is usually filled with razor sharp teeth. More than capable of punishing a guy who feels like forcing oral sex

**Lorenzo_H** · 01-06-2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by rasoforos

I understand. It does you credit to be so concerned. However, just because one man is a total

, it does not mean that girls will associate you with him. We cannot be held accountable for the sins of the whole male population. I see your point though.

Just a reminded. A woman's mouth is usually filled with razor sharp teeth. More than capable of punishing a guy who feels like forcing oral sex

Granted, there is, thankfully, a large number of guys who aren't like that. This particular friend seemed to find more than her fair share of the

s, because she is more than very attractive with an easily tricked, perhaps naive, personality. Hence, I've come across a few of them.

Its also not as simple as her being able to punish him like that. The whole psycology is really, really messed up, I can't even understand it. Because they guy who is enforcing the situation on the girl is always older, and therefore has more social status, he can make her do what he wants (with pressure, threats etc), and then get away with it after.

I will relate it to the topic, which is that I think abstenance from that lifestyle, and all the risks associated with it is a very respectable thing.

**LittleGrizzly** · 01-06-2009, 23:12

Neither are contraceptives. Only partially. The same for head start. But it 0 effect after a few years. Now I hear the FEDS want to make pre school mandatory.

Yo G! :D

nice to see you around!

**Ja'chyra** · 01-08-2009, 15:03

The average age in the US is 17???? Don't you have Bacardi Breezers over there.

If I had waited that long I'd have been humping random inanimate objects.

Originally Posted by Lorenzo_H
I made no such pledge, but have still managed to stay true to my Christian beliefs. I have it justified in my mind to wait until marriage, so thats basically what's keeping me going. Of course, being only 17 myself, I could well have to eat my words when I'm 21 or whatever, but I'm saying I've had quite a few offers of sex which I successfully turned down. And they weren't ugly girls either!

I served my apprenticeship with a guy that was awarded £50 for never taking a day off sick, he proceeded to boast about it until I pointed out that I had over a month off and it only cost me £50.

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Lots, actually, quite a few people don't like doing it and a significant number don't like recieving it either.

I had a girl that would give but didn't like receiving, there must have been a reason why I dumped her