Virginity Pledges are NOT effective (yes I know the sky is blue)

[Rhyfelwyr]

Consider this, what if one of them is mentally competant (in fact, not law) and the other isn't? What's the difference between a 14 year old boy coercing an imature 14 year old girl and a 40 year old man? I don't think the 14 year old boy is any less predatory. With that in mind, I would say that charges should be brought on a case-by-case basis.

True, it's pretty ridiculous when a 16 year old who slept with a 15 year old gets the same record as some old paedophile.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

True, it's pretty ridiculous when a 16 year old who slept with a 15 year old gets the same record as some old paedophile.

I believe I was saying the exact opposite. The law is there to protect those who are vulnerable, not withstanding that not everyone in that age group is vulnerable. With that in mind, charges should, as I said, be brought on a case by case basius, but the assumption should be to prosecute.

I knew the law when I was that age, so did everyone I went to school with.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I believe I was saying the exact opposite. The law is there to protect those who are vulnerable, not withstanding that not everyone in that age group is vulnerable. With that in mind, charges should, as I said, be brought on a case by case basius, but the assumption should be to prosecute.

I knew the law when I was that age, so did everyone I went to school with.

I meant that a 16 year old can be at the same level of maturity as a 15 year old, therefore they should not be lumped with the real paedophiles, but judged on a case by case basis. So I was agreeing with you, I think. Oh well, now we can disagree about whether or not we disagree.

[LittleGrizzly]

Well then you have problems defining what is unfair coercian or what is simply trying to convince someone to sleep with you, in the same way you can a 14 year old not mentally competent to make the decision you can have a 30 year old women not competant to make the decision. I would agree we should protect people in that manner, but that can be a factor at any age....

Though to get back to my main point, aslong as the 2 14year olds both want it (as in not coerced and both are competent), and are being careful about it then them having sexual relations is only a positive*...

* in terms of exercise, happiness ect.

True, it's pretty ridiculous when a 16 year old who slept with a 15 year old gets the same record as some old paedophile.

Agreed!

I have always though there should be at least a 2 year, or maybe a 3 year gap for a charge of peadophilia to be made, i knew a boy whose friend went on the sex offenders register for a video of a girl doing things with a lambringi (sp?) bottle, he was in the same school year as the girl!!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well then you have problems defining what is unfair coercian or what is simply trying to convince someone to sleep with you, in the same way you can a 14 year old not mentally competent to make the decision you can have a 30 year old women not competant to make the decision. I would agree we should protect people in that manner, but that can be a factor at any age....

This is true, but if we applied such thinking across the board then you can't actually do anything. So you draw a line in the sand, and if people cross it they are punished. We do the same with physical assault, homicide etc. There will always be unpleasent cases but the law is very clear

Though to get back to my main point, aslong as the 2 14year olds both want it (as in not coerced and both are competent), and are being careful about it then them having sexual relations is only a positive*...

* in terms of exercise, happiness ect.

Unless she gets pregnant, though that is hardly a certainty.

Agreed!

I have always though there should be at least a 2 year, or maybe a 3 year gap for a charge of peadophilia to be made, i knew a boy whose friend went on the sex offenders register for a video of a girl doing things with a lambringi (sp?) bottle, he was in the same school year as the girl!!

That would allow a 17 year old to have sex with a 14 year old, a 16 year old with 13, 15 with 12. Where would you stop?

[Moros]

That would allow a 17 year old to have sex with a 14 year old, a 16 year old with 13, 15 with 12. Where would you stop?

Not same school, same schoolyear he said.

Anyway personally I think the pledges are silly. But if it's someone who decides on his or her own to take such a pledge, then I respect it. But if it's the parents, then it's just stupid and rather pointless.