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    is on the outside looking out Member PraetorFigus's Avatar
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    Smile All you need is 0.2...

    I'm not the first to try this for units, but I thought I would bring it up for units that lost the phalanx formation because they were not mobile enough. A few examples are the Mori Gaesum, Alpine, Ifikratean and other phalanx spearmen. Without phalanx they became less effective, but there do not appear to be many alternatives to retain their mobility and effectiveness.

    For hoplite units, I've tried the short_pike and spear before and did not like how it came out for the units and eventually discovered this.

    by adding 0.2 the units I tested in large size, no time limit, medium difficulty battles, performed much better then expected so I figured this could be used for these mobile phalanx spearmen who do not have an armor value above 9 or 10.

    the unit radius at 0.2 appears to mimic a shieldwall formation without the BI bonuses with tight units like the classical, thorakitai and KH bodyguard hoplites, so I figured it could be applied to the mobile phalanx units that are not as tightly packed in their ranks.

    type celtic infantry mori gaesum
    dictionary celtic_infantry_mori_gaesum ; Mori Gaesum
    category infantry
    class spearmen
    voice_type General_1
    soldier celtic_infantry_morigaesum, 40, 0, 1.22, 0.2
    officer ebofficer_celtic_officer
    mount_effect elephant -4
    attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hardy
    formation 0.8, 1, 1.6, 2, 4, square
    stat_health 1, 1
    stat_pri 16, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
    stat_pri_attr light_spear
    stat_sec 11, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
    stat_sec_attr no
    stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, metal
    stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat 5
    stat_ground 0, 0, 0, -1
    stat_mental 14, disciplined, highly_trained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay 0
    stat_food 60, 300
    stat_cost 1, 1942, 486, 80, 130, 1942
    ownership gauls, scythia, slave


    the only obvious drawback that I have seen is that the unit keeps fighting when surrounded longer then expected, which leads me to believe that the smaller radius drains the moral slower so disciplined and highly trained units are turned into tanks, high armor value does not help especially being higher then 9.

    Once I figure out how I'll post some screen shots with the units using the 0.2 radius.
    Aradan has an EDU guide where he writes that the default is 0.4 but testing with 0.3 did not show as much of a difference as expected. Input is welcome because I know I need to do more testing on this.
    Also, here is another thread where using 0.2 radius is discussed.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188651

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    Default Re: All you need is 0.2...

    You don't need the EB team's blessing to make a minimod. I can move this into the unofficial mods forum if you'd like, or you can make a new thread there.

    I don't think we'll be using those values in the main build, as EB1 is "finished" and it's not objectively an error that needs correction. I'll make a note to the stat guys though.

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    Default Re: All you need is 0.2...

    Could we see some pics of standard vs 0.2?
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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