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    Cathar?
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    To the OP, imagine that instead of your story saying "God" and "Satan". It said "Thor" and "Loki". Would you feel the same about it?
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    i love the idea that angsty-teens can get so spazzed out by computer games that they try to rage-rape themselves with a remote.

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    Cathar?
    The heretics from southern France in the Albigensian crusade, they believed the God of the Old Testament was the devil, but followed Jesus and the NT teachings.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    Learn something new every day.

    I would point out that I don't believe in the New Testament either, though.
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    this is the book I do my best to live by.
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    And the moral of the story is:

    Trust not in God for He will screw you over for a £5 bet with the Devil.

    He also thinks it's a great laugh to kill your children as long as you can have more in the future.

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    OT has a story containing a blood thirsty arrogant god... well theres a turn up for the books eh....

    Remind me about this story next time someone mentions islam being an evil religion cos quran say this or that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    OT has a story containing a blood thirsty arrogant god... well theres a turn up for the books eh....

    Remind me about this story next time someone mentions islam being an evil religion cos quran say this or that....
    Theres a much better one in the OT. I cant remember where exactly but basically a man gives up his daughter (Was she his daughter or just a house guest?) to a angry crowd outside his door so they can rape her. I could be off on a detail but im pretty syre thats basically it.
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    i love the idea that angsty-teens can get so spazzed out by computer games that they try to rage-rape themselves with a remote.

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    Theres a much better one in the OT. I cant remember where exactly but basically a man gives up his daughter (Was she his daughter or just a house guest?) to a angry crowd outside his door so they can rape her. I could be off on a detail but im pretty syre thats basically it.

    Lot gives his 2 daughters to be raped by the mob in Sodom (or was it Gomorrah?) to stop them from raping 2 male angels in human form......what´s the moral here?...rape is better to happen to a woman than to a man?....that´s a little sexist to say the least.....God also kills Lot´s wife simply because he takes a look back at the town as they are leaving (what a great guy!)...and then comes the incest part.....it´s like Old Testament 90210!!!


    There is an impressively similar story in chapter 19 of the Book of Judges (where they so desperate for ideas that they had to copy themselfs???).....a priest is traveling with his concubine and they are taken in by a good man and his daughter...once again the mob of the town come around the good man´s house and demand that the priest be given to them so they could get frisky with him......

    the "good man" gives up his own daughter and the concubine of the priest to assuage the mob...

    Judges 19:24
    Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
    once again....enjoy yourselfs by raping and humiliating my daughter and this innocent woman...but leave my male guest alone.


    one has to wonder why would anyone would want to place his hand on such a book when swearing an oath.....
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    You really must try harder. If you took the time to read the bible instead of cherry picking quotes you would realize that Judges 19 is a culmanation of the Isrealites turning there back on God, and that giving his concubine is a very pagan thing to do. So even though he is a godly man in apperance in his soul he has mad peace with the pagan way of doing things.

    Of course God commands none of this.

    I dont have problems with atheists or agnostics or even people who try to disporve the bible. Just dont come at me with the weaksuace stuff in this thread. Have a clear understanding of what Christians believe and then argue with me. This whole "A bad thing happend so God is unpossible" is a tired song and dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    You really must try harder. If you took the time to read the bible instead of cherry picking quotes you would realize that Judges 19 is a culmanation of the Isrealites turning there back on God, and that giving his concubine is a very pagan thing to do. So even though he is a godly man in apperance in his soul he has mad peace with the pagan way of doing things.

    Of course God commands none of this.

    I dont have problems with atheists or agnostics or even people who try to disporve the bible. Just dont come at me with the weaksuace stuff in this thread. Have a clear understanding of what Christians believe and then argue with me. This whole "A bad thing happend so God is unpossible" is a tired song and dance.
    your mean just like you cherrypicked your reply?.....

    you totally ignored Lot's example.....or doesn´t the bible say that he was he the only "good" man in Sodom? Explaining why the angels save him and his family and lay waste to the rest.
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    Have a clear understanding of what Christians believe and then argue with me.

    I don't believe christians follow (or most) some of the dodgier stuff in the OT, my point about criticising it being there is part of my questioning of the validity of the bible and possibly the organised religion of christianity, i don't judge the followers of the religion by these things as they are seperate (as i will have to vehemently argue when the latest mistranslation of the qoran is mentioned)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    Explaining why the angels save him and his family and lay waste to the rest.
    It really didn't matter much; his wife became a pillar of salt upon disobeying the order to not look back (literally) after fleeing the city.

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    your mean just like you cherrypicked your reply?.....

    you totally ignored Lot's example.....or doesn´t the bible say that he was he the only "good" man in Sodom? Explaining why the angels save him and his family and lay waste to the rest.
    Once agian the Isrealites have turned there back and fallen into sin. God said he would spare the city if he could find just 10 rightoues men.

    Lot offers up his duaghters to be hospitable

    His wife is killed because she disobeyed God directly.

    Contary to popular belif dying is not the worst thing that happens to you.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Once agian the Isrealites have turned there back and fallen into sin. God said he would spare the city if he could find just 10 rightoues men.

    Lot offers up his duaghters to be hospitable

    His wife is killed because she disobeyed God directly.

    Contary to popular belif dying is not the worst thing that happens to you.
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    Funny though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Once agian the Isrealites have turned there back and fallen into sin. God said he would spare the city if he could find just 10 rightoues men.

    Lot offers up his duaghters to be hospitable
    so you accept the view that the bible describes the man that offered his daughters up to the mob as a righteous man?
    I am simply stating that a book that makes such value judgments is hardly the book one should wish to live one's life by.

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    His wife is killed because she disobeyed God directly.

    Contary to popular belif dying is not the worst thing that happens to you.
    Agreed....there is always day time television....*shudder*
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    What some people forget is that when your children die early they go to heaven earlier, which is a good thing, death for a christian should be nothing to be afraid of, Paul himself was looking forward to it because he knew he would go to heaven and be closer to God.
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    Even if you only believed that the message conveyed in the Bible is divinely inspired, it is clear that the stories of the OT should not be taken as telling us how to act nowadays. The whole OT is the story of God guiding Israel out of iniquity, step by step. He chose them because they were a 'stiffnecked' people, and yet He reformed them anyway - showing us who's in control. Jesus said himself that he was filling in the gaps, taking people beyond living just by the laws, and acknoweldging their need for forgiveness. Jesus is the example of how to lead a righteous life, not Lot, or Abraham, or Noah.
    At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.

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    He chose them because they were a 'stiffnecked' people, and yet He reformed them anyway - showing us who's in control.

    Mass murder and fear, methods used by hitler, stalin and God.

    The whole OT is the story of God guiding Israel out of iniquity

    Im not sure what you mean by this, but im not really sure it excuses a god of mass murder, i understand the adults may have been sinners (its debatable but im willing to accept for the sake of argument that every adult was full of sin) but you never hold the children accountable for the sins of thier fathers, countries battered by a terrible enemy (WW2) treated them far better than this God of the old testament did, i can only summise that winston churchill, truman and clement ? (unsure on french pm) are more forgiving and merciful than God...

    Which is why atheism isn't such an unhappy prospect, whats better nothing or something big powerful and vengeful...

    . Jesus is the example of how to lead a righteous life

    I would agree there, but other than the Cathar's how do christians justify the vengeful god of the OT, and then how he suddenly turns into a nice god in the NT, when you add in the concept of god being perfect it just really doesn't add up to me.... not that this is an attack on christian beliefs i am just curious how you rationalise the whole thing...
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    so you accept the view that the bible describes the man that offered his daughters up to the mob as a righteous man?
    I am simply stating that a book that makes such value judgments is hardly the book one should wish to live one's life by.



    Agreed....there is always day time television....*shudder*
    People often confuse righteousness with there own moral code.
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    In spoilers, as it's mostly me babbling to myself about the stories of the Bible. No response is required.

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    An untimely death is never a good thing for a person to have to endure. Just because there may or may not be a heavenly afterlife, we should not look forward to death. Life is short, death is forever, so perhaps maybe we shouldn't be so hasty in embracing it.

    If the belief is that death is a good thing for the righteous, would a sadistic maniac actually be doing you a favor by murdering your children? Of course not. Let's not be silly.

    Of course, when discussing the supernatural, it's hard not to be silly. A man made up an entire absurd story about a trillion year old galactic warlord who infected the human race with spirits that escaped from the tortured victims of atomic bomb blasts, and today, it's treated with equal weight as the Old Testament. As well it should, I might add. We take both far too seriously.

    Given how the Bible was written, assembled, edited, added to, taken away from, mistranslated, etc... it seems obvious that it's not THE WORD of God, if there is such a thing. Many people choose not to take it literally, which means it's open to interpretation, which means it cannot be considered binding law. The most literal interpretation is contradictory upon itself, logic and evidence. That leaves only the subjective interpretations, of which there are countless.

    When something has no literal or objective meaning, only subjective meaning, it should not be considered law, but organized religion attempts to make it so, either the law of nations or the laws pertaining to its own community.

    I would argue that a book of Aesop's Fables has as much to teach us as the Bible does, and it was written and assembled in much the same way, and should have as much weight in governing our lives. Cute stories, some of them horrifying, some of them absurd, and none of which to rule our consciousness as the unquestionable WORD of God.

    But, that's a non-theistic view. Even accepting the idea of God and the afterlife, the conflicting accounts contained within the Bible itself, it's many different versions, predecessors, successors, cheap knock-offs, differing sects and denominations, and so on; only one view could possibly be correct. I simply don't think 99% of us are going to burn in hell for choosing the wrong faith. So it seems to me having a literal and 100% conforming viewpoint with any hypothetical "correct" faith should not be necessary.

    If so, then why the big deal over religion? Can't we just be decent people who follow a standard, agreed upon moral code and have that be enough? MUST we follow ancient traditions, rituals, sing little songs and pray constantly to someone who has a "PLAN" for us all, but apparently will change it on a whim based on our little wishes? Is God a master planner or a genie in a bottle? If he doesn't answer all prayers (and he doesn't) then he has a plan. If he has a plan, then why bother praying? If it's merely enough to be a good person, why do we insist on teaching everyone our own exact precise and entirely subjective interpretation of something that at the end of the day is a private and harmless thing?

    I don't see Buddhists conquering the world and enslaving us to serve the devil. To be honest they've been persecuted over the centuries quite a lot, and some of them HAVE to be decent people. If God doesn't want them in heaven, I don't want to be in his heaven. And if they are allowed in, then it's not necessary to do all these rituals and sayings and follow every tradition exactly, and if that's the case then not everything the Bible says is true, which means that other falsehoods are likely present, which means it cannot be the word of God.

    Basically, if it's the word of God, I am hoping there is no afterlife. And if it's not, then we should really stop listening to it.
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    I didn't say the maniac is doing you a favour, he is doing your children a favour, he's only doing you a favour when he cuts your intestines out and hangs them on a line to dry while you can still watch the spectacle. It's not that hard to understand, or is it?


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    We are effectively one step away from murdering our children ourselves to ensure they get into heaven.

    It makes sense... just be sure to baptize them first before you drown them in the... never mind, kills two birds with one stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    We are effectively one step away from murdering our children ourselves to ensure they get into heaven.

    It makes sense... just be sure to baptize them first before you drown them in the... never mind, kills two birds with one stone.
    How so? You realize why the Isrealites are the "Chosen people" right? The entire old testament is a parable for life. All the stories (sense or not) converge on a bigger message.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    How so? You realize why the Isrealites are the "Chosen people" right? The entire old testament is a parable for life. All the stories (sense or not) converge on a bigger message.

    Yep, your God given free will only applies as long as you do what He tells you, otherwise He's gonna git you sucka.

    And your kids.

    And your wife.

    And your people.

    And your big AND small cattle???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ja'chyra View Post
    Yep, your God given free will only applies as long as you do what He tells you, otherwise He's gonna git you sucka.

    And your kids.

    And your wife.

    And your people.

    And your big AND small cattle???????
    the great late George Carlin caught this kind of dichotomy perfectly

    Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

    But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    How so? You realize why the Isrealites are the "Chosen people" right? The entire old testament is a parable for life. All the stories (sense or not) converge on a bigger message.
    Hehehe... actually, to be fair, I was responding to the poster directly before me, and it was in jest. No offense was intended.
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    So now the whole old testament is just one big metaphor?
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    i love the idea that angsty-teens can get so spazzed out by computer games that they try to rage-rape themselves with a remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooks View Post
    So now the whole old testament is just one big metaphor?
    Its the story of the Israelites and there trials and tribulations. It's not simply a collection of stories. There is an overall message.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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