The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

**ULC** · 01-09-2009, 19:13

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Hmmmm......well no matter......I feel like Reenk might be Isabella.....or he is a 'secret role'

but we have no idea IF Tin Cow was innocent....Hell, we have no idea if Reenk is trying to get lynched (To help his buddy) or is pulling a gambit....My money's on he is neutral...and is trying to get lynched to make his buddy more powerful....I say let them kill each other, then lynch who ever survives.....

Thank you for posting nothing. I doubt Reenk is Isabella, makes no sense, I see nothing to gain from such a move. Reenk is calculating, and he only takes calculated risks. For a gambit like the one he made to be so poor...I expect more from the Reenkster.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 01-09-2009, 19:16

Mmm. That would be like me trying a lurker strategy. You gotta expect better.

What DOES Reenk have up his sleeve?

**TinCow** · 01-09-2009, 19:18

If RR has a role, he is intentionally drawing attention to himself with mentions of night actions. This is an open invitation to be investigated. Thus, he simply refrains from doing anything, gets investigated, and shows up as innocent. He then says "Ha Ha, I was just having fun with you, I'm a normal townie." Having thus been cleared, he has a free pass to kill for most of the game.

Thus, I urge the detective(s) NOT to investigate RR tonight. Do it randomly over the next 2-4 turns. If you absolutely must investigate him tonight, make sure you re-investigate him later. Do NOT assume an innocent result tonight clears him (or anyone) for the rest of the game.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 01-09-2009, 19:22

Frankly, Tincow, I don't see why we should go through the trouble.

A townie doing such is inviting us to waste an investigation just to prove he's innocent, when he doesn't have to do that right now because before he wasn't like our top suspect. He could have waited.

Second, doing so makes the mafia wonder what he's up to. Makes him a top murder target, if he turns up innocent or whatever.

Third, if he's not a townie, let's just kill him instead. Quicker, easier, saves us the trouble.

Fourth, if he's hoping the investigator will find him and they can form a townie group, I don't see how they can do that legally because the investigator cannot reveal in private message, according to the rules.

From every angle, it smells. That's my current conclusion. But I'm not wanting to blunder blindly forward. What if anything am I missing from the above?

**TinCow** · 01-09-2009, 19:29

I don't think you're missing much, and you're probably right. I seriously doubt anything of substance will pop up after tonight's kill. If it doesn't, we're back to another round of pure guesswork. In such a scenario you are absolutely correct that we should just dispose of him with a lynch and be done with it. That saves the detectives any wasted actions.

My concern is just saving the detectives from what I see as a wasted night action in the current phase. If RR somehow is still alive several turns from now (due to other distractions or his own cleverness), I just think he should be re-investigated at random and with no warning.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 01-09-2009, 19:32

Ok I'll buy that. But it avoids the idea that we're leaving Reenk alive after we've basically ruled out his actions as being positive for town...

Like I said, am I missing anything? CAN WE rule out his actions as being positive for town? I'd like Reenk to go into full disclosure maybe. If we can rule out his actions as being good for town, we should just lynch him and be done with it.

But, that's my opinion, and I'll be darned if seemingly reasonable logic hasn't steered me to the brink of victory... and then back into the flaming hell of defeat once more.

**TinCow** · 01-09-2009, 19:44

This is mafia, you can never rule out anything. He could very well be a pro-town role pulling an elaborate scheme to ensure his own safety. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible. At the moment, RR's actions appear to be harmful to the town no matter what his motives are, thus he should be lynched. We should operate based on what the evidence tells us right now, not some slim theory that requires a lot of WIFOM. Right now, the evidence says lynch RR.

However, it's entirely possible he could survive by making some grand revalation or otherwise doing something that gets people off his back temporarily. It's also possible that something distracting could come up that would make the town think someone else is a higher priority lynch. I cannot make any judgment on such scenarios, because they haven't occurred. The point is simply that even if RR somehow manages to convince everyone (myself included), that he is the Holy Messiah, his actions right now warrant an investigation at some point down the road. The key is not to forget that a few days from now after the game has moved on a ways.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 01-09-2009, 19:50

Absolutely agreed. Lynch now, but if not, for whatever reason, be sure we randomly investigate him. I concur.

Hmm. Logical reasoning... plan of action... early suspect... I'm starting to get worried. Just how badly have we messed up? Only time will tell.

**White_eyes:D** · 01-09-2009, 23:53

Originally Posted by YLC

Thank you for posting nothing. I doubt Reenk is Isabella, makes no sense, I see nothing to gain from such a move. Reenk is calculating, and he only takes calculated risks. For a gambit like the one he made to be so poor...I expect more from the Reenkster.

Thank you for posting WIFOM

, every time someone seems to say something that makes some sense....

**Reenk Roink** · 01-10-2009, 00:16

Typical that the Reenkukko would be blocked tonight, so sad that he anticipated it in advance anyway.

Now I will reanimate TinCow and send my servant with instructions to vote: TevashSzat. A much more constructive use of him than his reasoning about the nature of things so far.

**seireikhaan** · 01-10-2009, 01:28

Gah! Reenk-

Is Reenk trying to be lynched? Or experimenting...

Vote: Reenk

**TevashSzat** · 01-10-2009, 01:28

Okay, vote:Reenk Roink I suggest everyone does the same

Also, whats up with the reanimate?

**Reenk Roink** · 01-10-2009, 01:45

I have an idea, why doesn't the town actually carry out my suggestion FOR ONE ROUND.

"WIFOM"
"Bernard"
"neutral role"

**ULC** · 01-10-2009, 02:00

Vote: Reenk Roink

If you truly had the towns best interests at heart, you'd actually try to be helpful

**GeneralHankerchief** · 01-10-2009, 02:09

Right now this is Loki II. Luckily, it seems like people are being offed at a slow rate, so I say we lynch Reenk, lynch Tevash, and then put Reenk on ignore. It'll cost us time, but I think we can spare it and it'll help us in the long run when we're not distracted.