The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rythmic is an excellent player. That's why his inactivity/lurkishness is a slap in the face of townies like me.



A bit over the top? Tone it down, pizza lord. Right, right.

Still anxiously awaiting Jolt's response... because I'm bursting in my pants to see the explanation

[Askthepizzaguy]

User Name / Number Posts
Askthepizzaguy 39
YLC 34
777Ares777 32
TinCow 31
Reenk Roink 29
Andres 16
Yoyoma1910 14
GeneralHankerchief 13
CountArach 13
187Beefyz 12
White_eyes:D 12
shlin28 10
Quintus.JC 10
TevashSzat 9
Ibn-Khaldun 8
El Diablo 7
boudica 7
glyphz 6
Jolt 6
Caius 5
Tiberius of the Drake 5
seireikhaan 4
Sigurd 4
Seamus Fermanagh 4
FactionHeir 3
TheFlax 3
Lord Winter 2
Chaotix27 2
woad&fangs 2
Ignoramus 2
Rythmic 1

Lurker report. Activity report not done yet. If we start accusing those at the bottom, eventually the mafia scum will float to the top of our little pond. In the meantime, we can analyze the posting patterns, behavior, and activity of the people at the top of the list.

At least, that's what I will be doing after I sign off today. Firefox will save this thread for me to analyze over the next 2 days.

We can still spook the lurker mafia into posting.

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Killed (4) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink

Lynched (2) :

TinCow
Tevashzat

Dead peoples.

Activity report:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Rythmic
signed up. Been inactive since. Wog bait.


Ignoramus
Last Activity: Today 06:53


Voted first round, has not participated since. LURKER!!!!

If you're a townie, don't come back! Or, come back and explain yourself. But we still might lynch you. For now, I leave you as WOG bait.

woad&fangs
Last Activity: Yesterday 22:39

Busy at the moment. Does this necessarily mean he's lurking?
His only active post was a random vote. Smells lurky. WOG bait for now.

chaotix27
Last Activity: Yesterday 21:36

Is usually a good mafia contributor. Smells lurky. WOG bait for now.

Lord Winter:
Voluntarily dropped from the game. Is he in the game or not? If he comes back, perhaps he should be investigated. For now, WOG bait.

TheFlax:
Dead

FactionHeir:

Invisible Mode. Not scummy in and of itself, but makes activity tracking impossible.
Showed up right around the same time we decided to look at the lurking veterans. Just afterwards in fact. How convenient. His explanation could be legit (in which case, I'm sorry) but otherwise... it could be a cover for his lurking mafia behavior.

Seamus Fermanagh:

Moderator/Invisible. Veteran player. Made a couple observations, and voted for Tevash who may have been guilty. Possibly to distance himself? Possibly because he's a townie? I have no idea. But a veteran like him will not give away something so obvious... the fact that he's not posting more puzzles me. But... I can't say I suspect him yet.

Sigurd

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=162
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=284
These were his meaningful contributions.

Do they have meaning, or are they a bluff? More would be nice from him.

Seireikhaan

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=262

Invisible. His sole contribution, and it came later in the game. Not much from him. But his style is inscrutable.

Tiberius of the Drake

Invisible. Voted for Boudica and Reenk Roink only, and did not give much explanation. A good minimum contribution, for a potential mafia.

Caius
Invisible. Of course. Sensing a pattern?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=315
He's had since noon yesterday to follow up on this odd post. He's made several comments, some inquisitive (points in his favor) but none of them long-winded, which makes it easier to blend into the background.

Jolt:
Last Activity: Today 05:50
I've already questioned his behavior in this thread. Not a happy camper until he explains how he could possibly have been so mistaken.

Look at his posting style. His votes seem thoughtless, and his words undermine his innocence. No offense Jolt, and nothing personal. Indeed, I enjoy your posting outside of this game. In this one, you're just making me suspicious of you.

Glyphz
Last Activity: Today 01:53
Voted for TinCow = Bad. Voted for TevashSzat = Neutral, for now.
Seems to be trying to contribute. I can't fault him yet.

Boudica
Last Activity: Today 09:20
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=343
Most recent activity. Seems to be contributing. Following the advice of Tincow is a good way to blend in if you're mafia. However, there is nothing inherently dangerous-looking about her contributions so far. She is either coolly posting like a mafia veteran, or she's legitimately roleplaying a little and acting cool as a cucumber. My spidey senses aren't tingling... yet.

El Diablo
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=343
Most recent activity. He's a mafia veteran by now, and appears to be contributing. What is odd is that he posts a question, and leaves.
Last Activity: Yesterday 22:18
He did leave enough time for people to answer his question. But I don't like the fact that he was here, made a little comment, and did no further contribution or analysis. It's the perfect little low-key kind of behavior that mafia tend to use to avoid suspicion.

Ibn-Khaldun
Mmm... just the right amount of short posts and random votes to appear to be a townie. Such a low-key presence. No one even notices him, I suspect. He's also going along with the lynch-the-lurking-veterans plan unquestioningly. Still... there's nothing there that's concrete. Nothing there to clear him. I can't even ask him to post more. I would ask that he talk more when he does post. I want to know what's going on inside that brain of yours... the more you talk, the more we hear the way you think. If it doesn't add up, then we can prosecute you. This style of play makes it difficult to do that.
Moving on...

Tevash-
Dead. Smells fishy too. But I can't talk bad about the guy... he nominated me for something!


Quintus.JC
Last Activity: Yesterday 16:04
Seems like he's mafia in every game that he's in! But really, he's not, just the last several. I hate to play the numbers game though.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=236
This was the post that smelled of evil to me. But maybe I was mistaken.
His reasoning seems to make sense so far, and he seems helpful to town enough. He's not cleared by any means yet.

Shlin28
Voted Tincow. Invisible. I don't know why, but I instinctively get the sense he's trying too hard to act like a basic townie when I read his posts. The part about wanting people dead, the part about BANDWAGONNN... when he voted Reenk. posting multiple tallies. So helpful and innocent. Why does that worry me?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=296
Posts such as this stick out like a sore thumb. I will be analyzing your previous mafia games and looking to see if you act this way as a townie. You're on my watch list! Translation: I've got nothing on you but a hunch that's probably wrong.

White_Eyes:
Dead.

187Beefyz
Last Activity: Today 07:09
Voted for me, after we've been in several games together, right away. Now why does that tickle my funny bone? You know I am useful to town dead or alive. Making sure I'm dead, eh? You claim it was a random vote. How random, I wonder? I will be keeping your posts very close to my heart, my Beefy friend. Did you wish town would bandwagon me and eliminate a potential threat right away?
*checks more*
"RANDOMLY" voted for me again! Look at your other posts... saying you're "lost"... odd when you keep voting for me. Then you try to be mister helpful townie (not at all unlike myself...) when you volunteered to do option 3.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=329
Acting helpful, acting lost, pretending to vote randomly while obviously gunning for me!

You're a nice guy IRL I am sure, and a good buddy outside this game, but I have no doubt that you want me dead for some reason. Why didn't you kill me at night, then?

CountArach
Last Activity: Today 06:52
His activity is fairly consistent, and his reasoning is logical, and he's no lurker. I think I've found a friend! 13 posts, not bad.

And one special one for General Hankerchief, as I must now accuse him.
GeneralHankerchief
Last Activity: Today 09:46
Voted TinCow as a "precautionary tactic." Why, because TinCow is veteran enough to smell your scum? I also have done some research into your mafia tell behavior, and my spidey senses are tingling a little.
Refers to in-character or out-of-character based on previous games. According to my more in-depth research on mafioso behavior, this is actually more often than not, a SCUM TELL. Mafia are interested in establishing themselves based on their previous behavior and want to frame the arguments of the discussion around that, because they have a prepared response to possible attacks on their character.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=147

All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing.

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Naturally, I'm quite familiar with your behavior in my games, and Midgard. I did a quick read-through of Prometheus too. I can't really remember Interficio TBH, but I do recall that you were quite fond of that game.

Now, you've named three distinct posting styles, however, there are similarities in terms of substance as opposed to actual "theme" of those styles. Your "hard-nosed townie" style is a "I'm going to attack those whom I deem most leading the town astray". In Mafia VI I distinctly recall lengthy posts against Sasaki to this effect. In Golden Rule I am substitute for Sasaki.

Now, Prometheus and Mafia V, you were the villain in both of them, continuing to make lengthy posts throughout the game, especially after you made your "roll the dice" move in both. In Midgard (and so far, this one), your modus seems to be "screw it, let's see how much fun I can have", making both lengthy, and frequent posts.

You break up your posting behaviors by role: townie, ambiguous higher power, and villain, respectively. However, the one thing they all have in common is post length and frequency. Up until a couple of hours ago in ATPG's game, you had neither.

Right here a big long analysis (my files show this to be a scummy thing to do... when one is a bolder mafia player, as GH probably is)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=209

Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement.

I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement. Hurts, doesn't it?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=266

Right now this is Loki II. Luckily, it seems like people are being offed at a slow rate, so I say we lynch Reenk, lynch Tevash, and then put Reenk on ignore. It'll cost us time, but I think we can spare it and it'll help us in the long run when we're not distracted.

Interesting you are so sure, at such an early juncture, about our path forward and who we should lynch.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=271

1) He said/she said.

2) Or, you could have realized your error and been more clear to avoid this mess in the first place.

3) Actually, it's been a common practice since the early days, especially when there's so much ambiguity involved. I especially subscribe to it, since if there's one thing you should know about me, I always hedge my bets (except in the most drastic of circumstances). Sure, I might not win as much outright, but over time I win more because my losses are minimized.

Argumentative. Point by point responses. Would it surprise you to know Sasaki exhibits such behavior as mafia? Most veteran players that I know do, and I've analyzed their behavior.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=273

Really, there's not much to it. You mention we have no idea what your bests interests are. I agree. But if it's not fully in line with the town's, then why shouldn't you be lynched?

-edit- dear god, I'm turning into PK.

Turning into PK? PrivateerKev was mafia in the last game, as I recall.

At such an early juncture, it's easy to ask someone "why shouldn't you be lynched?"... it could be townie behavior, but maybe you simply wanted to know what his hidden role was. He obviously had one. He smells like a townie, too, in retrospect.
Why were you so interested in his death? Maybe you knew he wasn't one of your own... one less round to worry about surviving in.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=325

Vote: Abstain

School started up again. As such, my time diminishes. Will look at things tomorrow.

GH abstains. You know, he abstains when he's mafia too. And why would you abstain past the first round or so? Nice excuse for not being here. (Hey, maybe it's real, I don't know, and I'm the last person who can safely accuse you... but still. I have to.)

You may not have time, legitimately. But when I add it up to all the other things you're doing which smell stinky to me based on my new method of analyzing behavior, you come up reeking. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but you already have made my spidey senses go through the roof. I am very close to asking town to lynch you along with me.

I will back off from this accusation for now, until I clear my head. It's possible I've smelled a false lead, and my bloodthirsty senses have gone haywire for no reason. When I come back, I will re-examine the evidence with a more objective viewpoint.

In the meantime, I am voting you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Rythmic I have bigger leads right now.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief. If I am wrong, I hope you will understand. See above post.

Edit: He was active today, and no posts here so far.

By the way, I understand I meet many of the criteria I am accusing GH of. I really, really don't care.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn-Khaldun
Mmm... just the right amount of short posts and random votes to appear to be a townie. Such a low-key presence. No one even notices him, I suspect. He's also going along with the lynch-the-lurking-veterans plan unquestioningly. Still... there's nothing there that's concrete. Nothing there to clear him. I can't even ask him to post more. I would ask that he talk more when he does post. I want to know what's going on inside that brain of yours... the more you talk, the more we hear the way you think. If it doesn't add up, then we can prosecute you. This style of play makes it difficult to do that.

Tourist am I. Speak not your tongue. Talking.. hurts..... my........ brain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tourist am I. Speak not your tongue. Talking.. hurts..... my........ brain.

Fine, fine fine. I was looking for mafia behavior... you seemed almost strangely devoid of it.

I'm actually more interested now in your opinion of GH. Is it just me?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Actually I planned to vote against him. He was the first one in TinCow's list and because he is a veteran mafia player then he could be one of the killers.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Ibn

Ah but being a veteran isnt enough. I could almost be considered a veteran now. TinCow is one. Many people here are... it's more of his veteran behavior which I would suggest fits the profile of a scum role.

@ TinCow

Don't worry, it's not really an indicator... it's more of a statement that we cannot actually confirm their innocence by tracking activity.

Though I should note, email makes it possible to never visit this site, and still get kills in. So objectively, invisible mode is not a way of proving anything, nor is lack of activity.

@ Sigurd
Waiting for more from Sigurd too. I know you're here!

:stalker:

Come on down... you know you want to.


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Ok, I made it easier on you guys and added the quotes I was referring to in my GH accusation above.

[TinCow]

Interesting post, ATPG, thanks for making it. I'll hold off on any general reply until a few of those fingered have a chance to respond.

One note though is that I don't think it's good to hold the use of invisibility mode against someone. All mafia players are encouraged to use invisibility specifically to keep a bit more ambiguity in the game. Those who ignore this are certainly free to have their activity info milked for all it is worth, but those who do use it should not have it held against them. It's in the best interests of the game as a whole for everyone to be invisible and many people (myself included) use it even when they are townies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Continuing with my activity report and analysis:

The work is never done until the game is over.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yoyoma1910
Last Activity: Today 00:23

Alright, so what do y'all want to know?

I am curious why you seem to be one of the few people actually roleplaying. You're still doing it even after no one else is. You seem to be roleplaying a... female? tourist with a camera.

That's fine. It actually seems quite bold and refreshing. Totally unnecessary risk sticking out like a sore thumb after all this time. I am nearly convinced you're townie. But you're not clear yet.

YLC: Only other living person on the list.

He seems like he has a vigilante role. But could be mafia. As such I ask for his head before the end of the game. But NOT NOW. Let's see if the mafia kills him first.

And then there's me. I have over 40 posts here, I've been active at night several times, I am posting "way too much" in most of your minds to be a townie, and I probably reek to many of you. Good. Mafia might actually keep me alive as a suspect then. But seriously, my activity or lack thereof at night from now on will get me killed, I promise, or you can lynch or vigilante me.