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@ Atpg: No worries
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@ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town. The athletic guy... could be another story though.
. @ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town. The athletic guy... could be another story though.
If I recall... My analysis of the previous game revealed that the anonymous "town captain" who leads our lynches had some role.
I don't remember, and I am engaged in something ATM. Could someone check?
I don't remember, and I am engaged in something ATM. Could someone check?
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
If I recall... My analysis of the previous game revealed that the anonymous "town captain" who leads our lynches had some role.
I don't remember, and I am engaged in something ATM. Could someone check?
In the first game, the person who organized the lynch voting was the Carabinieri (detective). When he was killed, the write-up showed that he was dead. It did not indicate which of the people murdered that night was the Carabinieri, but it later turned out to be Rythmic.If I recall... My analysis of the previous game revealed that the anonymous "town captain" who leads our lynches had some role.
I don't remember, and I am engaged in something ATM. Could someone check?
IMO, Andres appears to be doing the same thing in this game. The 'athletic man' is a pro-town detective or some other pro-town role. As long as he keeps appearing in the day phase write-ups, we still have at least one power role alive.
Originally Posted by glyphz:
@ Atpg: No worries.
@ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town.
Actually I believe this is the case.@ Atpg: No worries
. @ Quintus: Lynching the old man might not be a good idea. The old man fits w/ Reenk's claim of an old man blocker role. He's likely to be anti-scum/pro-town.
Night 1 PM from Andres
Originally Posted by Andres:
An old man wakes you up. He wants to show you something, he says.
He takes you to a secret hiding place and starts talking to you and another man. He tells you several stories. They are boring and you fall asleep.
Andres.
As an odinary townie I didn't have the ability to do anything at night, however the post suggests that the old man is in fact a blocker, and likely pro-town.An old man wakes you up. He wants to show you something, he says.
He takes you to a secret hiding place and starts talking to you and another man. He tells you several stories. They are boring and you fall asleep.
Andres.
I only wanted to lynch the old guy because he's annoying, just like the athletic guy.
Edit: Another guy was blocked too, suggesting that the man could possible block two people on one night?
Come on you lurkers! after last nights events surely its obvious that even painting a big sign saying "lynch me" on yourself is safer than hiding in the latrines!
If we have a blocker that we can communicate with, we might be able to clear some people.
A blocker functions much like an investigator. If you block someone, and they don't kill, then they could be mafia.
The mafia are now aware of this tactic, but they do not know which night which person will be blocked. And if they wanted to convincingly allow someone else to be blocked, and then not kill, they still have to not kill, which is to our advantage.
I highly recommend we devise a strategy involving the blocker, to narrow down our suspect list. But it must be unpredictable, even to people who are aware of it.
A blocker functions much like an investigator. If you block someone, and they don't kill, then they could be mafia.
The mafia are now aware of this tactic, but they do not know which night which person will be blocked. And if they wanted to convincingly allow someone else to be blocked, and then not kill, they still have to not kill, which is to our advantage.
I highly recommend we devise a strategy involving the blocker, to narrow down our suspect list. But it must be unpredictable, even to people who are aware of it.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
If we have a blocker that we can communicate with, we might be able to clear some people.
A blocker functions much like an investigator. If you block someone, and they don't kill, then they could be mafia.
The mafia are now aware of this tactic, but they do not know which night which person will be blocked. And if they wanted to convincingly allow someone else to be blocked, and then not kill, they still have to not kill, which is to our advantage.
I highly recommend we devise a strategy involving the blocker, to narrow down our suspect list. But it must be unpredictable, even to people who are aware of it.
Interesting idea, a bit risky though. We can hardly trust anyone that's even been blocked for a night, we are also putting the blocker's live in danger. Though if the idea works then it would be very benificial to town, in my opionion there are simply far too many people alive for the list to be narrowed down.If we have a blocker that we can communicate with, we might be able to clear some people.
A blocker functions much like an investigator. If you block someone, and they don't kill, then they could be mafia.
The mafia are now aware of this tactic, but they do not know which night which person will be blocked. And if they wanted to convincingly allow someone else to be blocked, and then not kill, they still have to not kill, which is to our advantage.
I highly recommend we devise a strategy involving the blocker, to narrow down our suspect list. But it must be unpredictable, even to people who are aware of it.
it's not a foolproof idea, no.
However, it could... encourage... the mafia not to murder quite so much, to make the people we block seem guilty.
THAT is absolutely 100% beneficial for town, even if the "block" doesnt absolutely clear someone or make someone guilty.
However, it could... encourage... the mafia not to murder quite so much, to make the people we block seem guilty.
THAT is absolutely 100% beneficial for town, even if the "block" doesnt absolutely clear someone or make someone guilty.
Okay people, Monday is not really going to be a good day for me for several months now, but I'll try to do my best.
After an initial scanning of the posts, I'd just like to point out to Sigurd that my thirst to be a villain was properly quenched in khaan's Spirit Mafia in which I was the Puppet Master.
Let me do a thorough read of the last day or two and I'll get back to you fuller.
After an initial scanning of the posts, I'd just like to point out to Sigurd that my thirst to be a villain was properly quenched in khaan's Spirit Mafia in which I was the Puppet Master.
Let me do a thorough read of the last day or two and I'll get back to you fuller.
I don't see how that idea could work with over 20 people still in the game, it could be sound enough with less than 15 people at most though.
Yes its possible that the mafia would be more cautious about commiting murders, and that would be good for town.
Yes its possible that the mafia would be more cautious about commiting murders, and that would be good for town.
If it matters, in the previous game the night write-ups showed when the role blocker (Prostitute) was active. In the current game, we've seen some maniac laughing hysterically and destroying the statue of Artemis at night. This indicates the activity of a role which is not a normal mafioso. It is also consistent with the way in which Reenk Roink was behaving. The write-up of his death came immediately after the maniac's night action, which would allow for the possibility it was him. I would suggest that if we see no more of the night-time maniac, it was Reenk Roink and he is now dead. The question then remains whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, as the maniac write-up does not appear consistent with a role blocker.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=147
He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.
I don't buy it. I don't know what his defense is, but I think I'm already prejudiced against it.
You guys are going to need to restrain me and duct tape my mouth and fingers.
Let the man have a rebuttal... let the man have a rebuttal...
Originally Posted by :
All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing.
He "may drop out of the game" because he "cant really handle this multithread thing"All right, let me do my discourse on your posting behavior and then I'll head over to Golden Rule to discuss what's going on there... and then I'll take some pills and do something mindless for the next three hours or so. I may have to drop out of this game; I can't really handle this multi-thread thing.
He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.
I don't buy it. I don't know what his defense is, but I think I'm already prejudiced against it.
You guys are going to need to restrain me and duct tape my mouth and fingers.
Let the man have a rebuttal... let the man have a rebuttal...
In GH's defense, I personally know that he has been extremely busy for the last several months due to starting college. He has had to drop out of playing an active avatar in LotR as a result, and I've seen a marked reduction in his activity on the Org in general. That doesn't clear him of anything, but IMHO, if he says he's really busy, then he is really busy.
All right, it's hurricane time. I'm going to split my post into two parts, one of them being my defense and the other being my comments on what's been going on in the game.
For my defense, ATPG, I'm mostly going to pick on your post, since it serves what I want to say.
You note my previous contributions to the .Org and the Gameroom in particular and you compare my current activity to them, pointing out the difference:
I brought Mafia to the .Org in June 2006, which was abotu two and a half years ago. In 2006 alone, I hosted five of my eight big games, providing a commentary on each. This was done over the period of half a year, mind. In 2007, I only hosted two big games, and only provided a commentary in one of them. Now, part of this was due to the increasing popularity of the Gameroom, but also keep in mind I had double the time and still only hosted two games. In addition, the "Gameroom got bigger" explanation doesn't properly explain my lack of commentary for Mafia VII. Now, in 2008, I only hosted one large game, Mafia VIII. This was done, for the most part, over the summer, when I did not have school to worry about and only worked a small, part-time job.
In addition to my hosting less, I've also played less. TinCow already pointed out my essential bowing out of LotR recently. But in the past year and a half I've also taken two extended breaks from Mafia, not playing a single game for months at a time. Now, it's probably true that I've played multiple games in the past. However, if I have, I certainly haven't done so for a long time. Comparing my 2009 data from my 2006 and early 2007 data only while leaving out my mid/late 2007 and 2008 data is folly. This is a significant jump in activity for me, relatively speaking. And while I'm trying to become more active in the Gameroom and make this new behavior the norm, I'm not sure if I can pull it off. My desire to join this game in the first place was out of a desire to play a "big" game (even among Large games) again. I'm naturally partial to khaan's Chicago Soiree, because, hey, that style of game is my specialty.
Now, as far as my actual behavior (and not lack, thereof) goes:
First of all, just as a general point, much of your attacks on me come from my past behavior. Let me just say that if you don't think I naturally and purposely evolve my behavior/tactics, shame on you. It's good overall play to do this. Otherwise, you stand at risk of becoming like Seamus and Kommodus, who, while excellent townies, are as predictable as the sunrise and stand out like a sore thumb when they become mafia.
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I was going to finish my post with something besides a defense, but I need to be off and doing something else now. I hope people actually read it and consider the points I made.
For my defense, ATPG, I'm mostly going to pick on your post, since it serves what I want to say.
You note my previous contributions to the .Org and the Gameroom in particular and you compare my current activity to them, pointing out the difference:
Originally Posted by :
He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.
Clearly, you've done some homework and read my past games. However, this paints an improper picture. If you really want to analyze the trends, what you need to do is read each and every single one of my 5,000+ posts, especially analyzing the dates over a broad range of time. Naturally, I don't blame you for doing this. Heck, I know I wouldn't do this with anybody else. However, when it comes to discussing my greater activity as a whole I can do it since I've, you know, lived it.He's the man who single handedly brought mafia to the org, if I am not mistaken, and organized and hosted some of the biggest mafia games of the org, while keeping tabs on results and writeups and revealing inside information afterwards... How many games is he in right now? One of the games is basically almost over and there's not much else to do.
I brought Mafia to the .Org in June 2006, which was abotu two and a half years ago. In 2006 alone, I hosted five of my eight big games, providing a commentary on each. This was done over the period of half a year, mind. In 2007, I only hosted two big games, and only provided a commentary in one of them. Now, part of this was due to the increasing popularity of the Gameroom, but also keep in mind I had double the time and still only hosted two games. In addition, the "Gameroom got bigger" explanation doesn't properly explain my lack of commentary for Mafia VII. Now, in 2008, I only hosted one large game, Mafia VIII. This was done, for the most part, over the summer, when I did not have school to worry about and only worked a small, part-time job.
In addition to my hosting less, I've also played less. TinCow already pointed out my essential bowing out of LotR recently. But in the past year and a half I've also taken two extended breaks from Mafia, not playing a single game for months at a time. Now, it's probably true that I've played multiple games in the past. However, if I have, I certainly haven't done so for a long time. Comparing my 2009 data from my 2006 and early 2007 data only while leaving out my mid/late 2007 and 2008 data is folly. This is a significant jump in activity for me, relatively speaking. And while I'm trying to become more active in the Gameroom and make this new behavior the norm, I'm not sure if I can pull it off. My desire to join this game in the first place was out of a desire to play a "big" game (even among Large games) again. I'm naturally partial to khaan's Chicago Soiree, because, hey, that style of game is my specialty.
Now, as far as my actual behavior (and not lack, thereof) goes:
First of all, just as a general point, much of your attacks on me come from my past behavior. Let me just say that if you don't think I naturally and purposely evolve my behavior/tactics, shame on you. It's good overall play to do this. Otherwise, you stand at risk of becoming like Seamus and Kommodus, who, while excellent townies, are as predictable as the sunrise and stand out like a sore thumb when they become mafia.
Originally Posted by :
I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement.
Hurts, doesn't it?
You say this is scummy but don't give an explanation.I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement.
Hurts, doesn't it?Originally Posted by :
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=266
Interesting you are so sure, at such an early juncture, about our path forward and who we should lynch.
I know this goes against my previous statement, but I've always argued this path. When you have two polar opposite targets in a situation so ambiguous, you take them both down just to be certain you got the right person. I believe I was one of the first to push for this in Cosa Nuova I, when Sasaki and Kagemusha counterclaimed each other as Detective in the first round. In my mind, you can't beat the brute-force approach, especially early in the game. Efficient? Not really. Effective? Yes.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=266
Interesting you are so sure, at such an early juncture, about our path forward and who we should lynch.
Originally Posted by :
Argumentative. Point by point responses. Would it surprise you to know Sasaki exhibits such behavior as mafia? Most veteran players that I know do, and I've analyzed their behavior.
Would it surprise you to know that good players do this as town too? Sasaki destroyed me in Godfather 2 using argumentative behavior and point-by-point responses trying to poke holes in my (false) claim as Detective. Argumentative. Point by point responses. Would it surprise you to know Sasaki exhibits such behavior as mafia? Most veteran players that I know do, and I've analyzed their behavior.
Originally Posted by :
Turning into PK? PrivateerKev was mafia in the last game, as I recall.
I wasn't referring to PK in Taormina, I was referring to him in Midgard when he was criticizing for me trying to Holmgang people, saying that my pursuit of fun (similar to Reenk's in this game) was detrimental to the town and that I should stop.Turning into PK? PrivateerKev was mafia in the last game, as I recall.
Originally Posted by :
At such an early juncture, it's easy to ask someone "why shouldn't you be lynched?"... it could be townie behavior, but maybe you simply wanted to know what his hidden role was. He obviously had one. He smells like a townie, too, in retrospect.
How in God's name did it look like he had a pro-town role? All he was doing at the time was singularly focusing discussion on him (bad, since it lets the mafia slip by under the radar) and mocking us all. This was not good town behavior. Yes, it looks now that he was pretty much a townie. However, hindsight is 20/20. Find me ONE PERSON who thought this way before he got lynched. Everybody thought he had some special role, good or bad. I thought bad. This point of yours makes no sense.At such an early juncture, it's easy to ask someone "why shouldn't you be lynched?"... it could be townie behavior, but maybe you simply wanted to know what his hidden role was. He obviously had one. He smells like a townie, too, in retrospect.
Originally Posted by :
GH abstains. You know, he abstains when he's mafia too. And why would you abstain past the first round or so? Nice excuse for not being here. (Hey, maybe it's real, I don't know, and I'm the last person who can safely accuse you... but still. I have to.)
As pointed out in that post, I was going back to school and thus my mind was elsewhere than on the game. Considering that I missed the vote in the last round, I didn't want to become WoG-bait.GH abstains. You know, he abstains when he's mafia too. And why would you abstain past the first round or so? Nice excuse for not being here. (Hey, maybe it's real, I don't know, and I'm the last person who can safely accuse you... but still. I have to.)
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I was going to finish my post with something besides a defense, but I need to be off and doing something else now. I hope people actually read it and consider the points I made.
The blow-by-blow defense was expected, and didn't really counter much of my claims, if you look closely.
He basically argues that I'd need to analyze all his 5000 posts in order to recognize patterns of behavior. I don't... because none of you have done this, and neither has he, and we still recognize those patterns.
He then goes into a long explanation for his declining activity and renewed interest in mafia. That's fine, but the Chicago Soiree hasn't even started yet and the total activity in the Golden Rule mafia is negligible at this stage of the game. You just show up, vote, and you're done. Same as last round, or slightly less work, not more.
He never once explains how this thread is a significant burden to him or why he cannot handle it in conjunction with the limited, if any, activity in other games. Which is fine, that alone doesn't make him mafia, nor does anything else I've said.
What I've said is that it LIKELY makes him mafia.
Then he suggests his behavior has evolved. Good! Mine has as well. However, he's arguing against himself here, because he's the one who suggested examining past behavior in this very thread.
Which is it? Is it reliable or not? If it's not reliable, could it contain some key information?
It basically comes down to a judgment call. In my judgment, you made a mistake and revealed that you are hiding a secret.
The part with the clown is a joke. But it shows you declaring how guilty someone is for their behavior, with the finality that perhaps wasn't deserved. I intended to highlight that by turning your argument on you.
I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement
You have been final in your judgments and quick to make them. Different style of play? Sloppy? Or mafia behavior?
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I've relaxed and done other things, I feel I have a clearer head. From where I sit, your defense has not convinced me.
If I am wrong, I apologize, but there was not enough there to overturn or satisfy my suspicions.
He basically argues that I'd need to analyze all his 5000 posts in order to recognize patterns of behavior. I don't... because none of you have done this, and neither has he, and we still recognize those patterns.
He then goes into a long explanation for his declining activity and renewed interest in mafia. That's fine, but the Chicago Soiree hasn't even started yet and the total activity in the Golden Rule mafia is negligible at this stage of the game. You just show up, vote, and you're done. Same as last round, or slightly less work, not more.
He never once explains how this thread is a significant burden to him or why he cannot handle it in conjunction with the limited, if any, activity in other games. Which is fine, that alone doesn't make him mafia, nor does anything else I've said.
What I've said is that it LIKELY makes him mafia.
Then he suggests his behavior has evolved. Good! Mine has as well. However, he's arguing against himself here, because he's the one who suggested examining past behavior in this very thread.
Which is it? Is it reliable or not? If it's not reliable, could it contain some key information?
It basically comes down to a judgment call. In my judgment, you made a mistake and revealed that you are hiding a secret.
The part with the clown is a joke. But it shows you declaring how guilty someone is for their behavior, with the finality that perhaps wasn't deserved. I intended to highlight that by turning your argument on you.
I was thinking that you weren't acting scummy, but not after this statement
You have been final in your judgments and quick to make them. Different style of play? Sloppy? Or mafia behavior?
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I've relaxed and done other things, I feel I have a clearer head. From where I sit, your defense has not convinced me.
If I am wrong, I apologize, but there was not enough there to overturn or satisfy my suspicions.
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