The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wait, seriously?

[woad&fangs]

I was under the assumption that he is who he says he is because people came forward to say that they were indeed blocked when he claimed they were. I don't think that I've ever seen a neutral/scum role be a roleblocker.

[Reenk Roink]

Wait, seriously?

Yes...

I don't dispute that he is the roleblocker. I seriously question his alignment and his continued survival...

And it really wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have a Mafia team with a roleblocker (Mafia need to neutralize pro town and Reenkesque roles...).

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, I can't really say anything to counter that statement. The PM I received didn't specifically mention my alignment, thus, I'm assuming I'm pro-town. If I'm not, that's the way I've been playing, and that's the way I intend to continue playing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Timestamp was 18:01, my time:

It seems like your role pm needs some clarification: you are indeed pro-town.

[Reenk Roink]

I've been thinking about it a bit more and am a little more open to your pro-town status GH. Not due to the supposed PM from Andres or anything, just that it seems reasonable that Mafia would let someone like you live to discredit him. It has happened before with detectives, and there would be much less of a risk involved with a role that can't (directly) point our the Mafia.

Still, if you're alive and there's 3 people left...

[Beefy187]

I trust GH. and I think its your nature to go after GH Reenk, so I trust you too.

[CountArach]

The thought process of the mafia may be that GH is likely to be protected by a Doctor and as such he is staying alive. I am almost certain that we can trust GH - I find the idea of a mafia roleblocker to be unlikely/

[Chaotix]

Vote: Abstain for now, as we've got virtually no good leads, and I don't want to be WoG bait if Andres ends the phase before I can vote tomorrow.

[ULC]

Vote: Yoyoma

[woad&fangs]

vote: Sigurd
why? Because GH said he had a case against him. If school is cancelled again tomorrow because of life threatening cold(O the joys of Wisconsin) then I'll change my vote. If I have school, I probably won't be able to participate for the rest of the day phase.

[GeneralHankerchief]

why? Because GH said he had a case against him.

Okay, I'll admit it's not much. But it's just a general feeling I've had for a couple of days now combined with a few little signs in the thread.

First of all his post count is way way low. At the time of this writing, he has 7 total, and two of them were made before the game officially started. There are two types of Sigurd that I remember, although this may be inaccurate/out of date. The first is the Sigurd with the high post count. This thread play means that he's either a dead/confirmed innocent and doing everything he can to screw over the mafia, or the "crazy townie", walking a fine line between safety and lynching and generally surviving for a long time. The second is the Sigurd with a low post count, playing more cautiously. Going by my memory, this is more likely to be mafia.

Now, Sigurd's given a couple of valid reasons for his inactivity, like .Org database failure, timezone differences, and work (including Gameroom duties). That's fine, perfectly acceptable. But stuff doesn't add up.

I'd like to call attention to this post, when he joined in on the bandwagon against me a few rounds back. One of the stated reasons was that I wasn't griping about not being a mafioso anymore, unlike Midgard. At the time, my quick defense of it was "Well, I got a bad guy role in khaan's Spirit Mafia", plus, of course, the Golden Rule game. However, Spirit Mafia got me thinking.

Sigurd has said several times across multiple threads that as part of his duties as Gameroom Assistant Moderator, he had to read every post. He's had this job since September 4th, when Tosa made the announcement. Spirit Mafia, however, ended on September 20th. If Sigurd had to read every post, surely the post-game role reveals and such from Spirit Mafia would be included in that, meaning that he would know perfectly well that I had been a mafioso before.

Now, of course, this line of argument isn't perfect. But I think this potential oversight, combined with the fact that I usually associate a low post count with mafiosery from him, combined with the fact that on both nights I've blocked him there has only been one kill, makes me think that he's a better lynch than anybody for today.

[glyphz]

Since we're discussing/comparing activity on and off this game...

Posts:
Caius 6
Lord Winter 5
seireikhaan 5
Tiberius of the Drake 5

Vote: seireikhaan


@YLC: Do you plan on telling us why you voted for Yoyoma?

Tally:
Sigurd: 2 (General Hankerchief, woad&fangs)
Yoyoma1910: 1 (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (glyphz)

Abstain: Chaotix27)

[ULC]

Interesting case GH, I haven't played with Sigurd enough to know better, but that does seem to fit my experience with him based on Spirit Mafia and Prometheus.

Unvote:Yoyoma
Vote: Sigurd

Also, not a stab at the big guy, but isn't "Gunnar" Nowegian?

[GeneralHankerchief]

glyphz, I'd attribute a lot of khaan's absence to hosting Chicago Soiree.

[Yoyoma1910]

@YLC: Do you plan on telling us why you voted for Yoyoma?

Probably for those overlooked hours of research I spent on that dang statue.


I have no idea how to vote at this point.

[glyphz]

glyphz, I'd attribute a lot of khaan's absence to hosting Chicago Soiree.

Indeed. But if I were to pick between duties between host and moderator, I'd guess a moderator's work is 'heftier?'

HUGE emphasis on 'guess,' as I know nothing about being one or the other
and certainly not belittling the effort/sacrifices made of hosting and maintaining a (large) mafia game

Besides I have a lot of respect for the moderators (and how they operate and maintain things) here in TheOrg, compared to other TotalWar sites.

[CountArach]

That's an interesting theory GH. I personally shall Vote: Abstain for the moment, until I hear Sigurd's defence.

[Sigurd]

First of all his post count is way way low. At the time of this writing, he has 7 total, and two of them were made before the game officially started. There are two types of Sigurd that I remember, although this may be inaccurate/out of date. The first is the Sigurd with the high post count. This thread play means that he's either a dead/confirmed innocent and doing everything he can to screw over the mafia, or the "crazy townie", walking a fine line between safety and lynching and generally surviving for a long time. The second is the Sigurd with a low post count, playing more cautiously. Going by my memory, this is more likely to be mafia.

Now, Sigurd's given a couple of valid reasons for his inactivity, like .Org database failure, timezone differences, and work (including Gameroom duties). That's fine, perfectly acceptable. But stuff doesn't add up.

I hope there are more than two play styles to my name. I try to act a little differently in every game I am in. However, as you point out, my post count is low. I am in more than one game this time. One reason is trying to be the responsible AM. Ya know, to give support to the games and their hosts. This is a new experience for me and I find it is stretching my capability.

I'd like to call attention to this post, when he joined in on the bandwagon against me a few rounds back. One of the stated reasons was that I wasn't griping about not being a mafioso anymore, unlike Midgard. At the time, my quick defense of it was "Well, I got a bad guy role in khaan's Spirit Mafia", plus, of course, the Golden Rule game. However, Spirit Mafia got me thinking.

Sigurd has said several times across multiple threads that as part of his duties as Gameroom Assistant Moderator, he had to read every post. He's had this job since September 4th, when Tosa made the announcement. Spirit Mafia, however, ended on September 20th. If Sigurd had to read every post, surely the post-game role reveals and such from Spirit Mafia would be included in that, meaning that he would know perfectly well that I had been a mafioso before.

I suspected you had a role in this game as did pizzaguy and hewas right. A GH without a role usually makes more noise. I would have unvoted you had I been on.

Now, of course, this line of argument isn't perfect. But I think this potential oversight, combined with the fact that I usually associate a low post count with mafiosery from him, combined with the fact that on both nights I've blocked him there has only been one kill, makes me think that he's a better lynch than anybody for today.

I might be a candidate, but you and the rest of us needs to compare what we know to what we learn trough the night reports.
You protected me and Quintus on the first night and me and boudica this night.

On the first night there was only one kill, most likely by one of the mafia. Compared to the other nights we lack two killers; the shadow vigilante and the other mafioso.
This night lacked only the shadow vigilante. There was the murder of Quintus, which would put the suspicion on me for being the other mafia that were blocked on night one.
This last night had two attempts with guns. I suspect that YLC is the vigilante aka the athletic man and that he possibly was attacked this night by the second mafioso. YLC's night action was canceled as he dodged the killer. You mentioned something about a report from Andres and that it said nothing of value. Do you suspect it will say something important if you in fact do investigate a killer?

I will not retaliate against you since your role is by far more valuable for the town than my vanilla townie role. I can do my analysis dead as alive. Being killed by mafia is the best option since I will be more or less confirmed innocent.
I do however question the decision of not even trying to take you out as you are a threat to any bad guy in this game. Are you communicating with players outside this game? Do you discuss with others your choice of blocks? Have you learned that attempts have been made on the players you protect?

We need to figure out if the athletic man/shadow killer, which I think is YLC, is bad for town. Up until now he has killed twice. Does he investigate on the nights he is not killing? that would count for night one and two and five.
I firmly believe that the two gun killers are very much alive as can be seen in last night's report.
Glyphz has a point. Seireikhaan is not active at all in this game and he was inactive, I think, before he started his game.
I get the feeling he is intentionally keeping a low profile. Is he hiding a pro-town role or a mafia role?
vote: seireikhaan

[ULC]

Sigurd, no offense, but I am not the Vigilante/Serial Killer/Athletic Man/Manfredo. I'm a normal bloody townie who has gotten each night kill right is all - most likely by the fact I announce whom I wish dead, and voile, it's done. I suspect of course that if I name you as my next hit wish, you won't die however. In which case, I would gladly opt for boudica, or even Yoyoma.

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, no offense, but I am not the Vigilante/Serial Killer/Athletic Man/Manfredo. I'm a normal bloody townie who has gotten each night kill right is all - most likely by the fact I announce whom I wish dead, and voile, it's done. I suspect of course that if I name you as my next hit wish, you won't die however. In which case, I would gladly opt for boudica, or even Yoyoma.

Yet, you made a veiled threat to Reeink Roink about an ability to end his life via vote or some night ability. Was this just a bluff?

[ULC]

Yet, you made a veiled threat to Reeink Roink about an ability to end his life via vote or some night ability. Was this just a bluff?

I explained that earlier, before Pizzaguy buried it under his nonsense. I made that threat based on two things - a bluff, and to carry it out by drilling him during the night. Oddly, he died that night, and then when I made a statement about Pizzaguy, he too then died, quickly followed by QJC when I said something again. I've asked for either boudica's, Yoyoma's, or your head this night - I wonder who will be picked?

[Lord Winter]

I havn't been home all day and I have a paper to write now. I'll read the thread tommarow and post my options then. For now:

Vote: Abstain

[Sigurd]

I explained that earlier, before Pizzaguy buried it under his nonsense. I made that threat based on two things - a bluff, and to carry it out by drilling him during the night. Oddly, he died that night, and then when I made a statement about Pizzaguy, he too then died, quickly followed by QJC when I said something again. I've asked for either boudica's, Yoyoma's, or your head this night - I wonder who will be picked?

Care to explain? Is this an ability you have in this game, or am I just not able to interpret what you mean. Drilling someone during the night ... ehm, I get a disturbing picture here -

[glyphz]

I explained that earlier, before Pizzaguy buried it under his nonsense. I made that threat based on two things - a bluff, and to carry it out by drilling him during the night. Oddly, he died that night, and then when I made a statement about Pizzaguy, he too then died, quickly followed by QJC when I said something again. I've asked for either boudica's, Yoyoma's, or your head this night - I wonder who will be picked?

A bluff?!

Pretty much pegged you as a vigilante, based on your exchange with Reenk , his demise(back then, you also dodged questions whether you were responsible), & later on Atpg's.

[ULC]

Care to explain? Is this an ability you have in this game, or am I just not able to interpret what you mean. Drilling someone during the night ... ehm, I get a disturbing picture here -

Drilling = Questioning to death Sigurd. Even the insane have to utter something of sense once in awhile. Get your mind out of the gutter, there's only one person I'd do that to.

I am a plain town, and I have never professed to be anything else. But I never really tried to defend myself and dodged all questioning because it would have ended up being a WIFOM me argument. Why the sudden focus on me Sigurd? It's common knowledge I am nothing but a townie, even Reenk knows that.

[Sigurd]

Drilling = Questioning to death Sigurd. Even the insane have to utter something of sense once in awhile. Get your mind out of the gutter, there's only one person I'd do that to.

I am a plain town, and I have never professed to be anything else. But I never really tried to defend myself and dodged all questioning because it would have ended up being a WIFOM me argument. Why the sudden focus on me Sigurd? It's common knowledge I am nothing but a townie, even Reenk knows that.

Sorry it was not common to me...
But my question remains unanswered; is the vigilante bad for town?
It seems he got rid of some shady players (no offense RR and Pizza). That Pizza has opted to drop out of the discussion should be some basis to indicate a pro-town alignment for the vigilante. RR will continue to seed doubts and smokescreens if he was a bad guy and would continue to be helpful if he was pro town.

[seireikhaan]

Sorry for the inactivity guys- the combination of hosting the large game, getting back to UNI, frantically trying finish my application for RA, work, and the intimidatingly large amount of white noise I've had to read through in both this game and my own had made actually trying to get something constructive done almost impossible. I won't suicide; that's bad for the town, after all.

Vote: Abstain

[woad&fangs]

-35 F with wind chill.

I'll be here today.

My vote is going to stay on Sigurd for now because there was only 1 kill on the nights that he was blocked. I would like to here more from Boudica. New players make me paranoid.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Actually, I suspect Yoyoma. So, I Vote: Yoyoma