The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

GH has produced evidence that there were fewer kills on nights when Sigurd, Quintus, and boudica were blocked. This evidence is very decent and is vastly superior to lynching based on posting and voting patterns. Get your heads out of your and lynch the people listed above.

[Reenk Roink]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

How do your previous statements AT ALL imply the bolded part?

[TinCow]

How do your previous statements AT ALL imply the bolded part?

My previous statements don't, but I'll be happy to explain my line of thought. First, we know GH can role block because it has been confirmed by many people, too many for them all to be mafia. Second, role blocking is not an ability that is likely to be given to mafia. Third, the descriptions of the old man in the write-ups appear anything but scummy.

As I specifically stated, this does not mean GH absolutely is pro-town. This is an Andres mafia game, so it's certainly possible he could be mafia or neutral. However, the evidence I see points strongly to pro-town at this point in time. If evidence appears that disputes GH's allegiance to the town, I will reassess the situation then.

[Reenk Roink]

My previous statements don't, but I'll be happy to explain my line of thought. First, we know GH can role block because it has been confirmed by many people, too many for them all to be mafia. Second, role blocking is not an ability that is likely to be given to mafia. Third, the descriptions of the old man in the write-ups appear anything but scummy.

Thanks for explaining. I still think it's quite plausible for a Mafia group to have a roleblocker, but the third case is quite a good one I didn't think of. The old man really just wanted to tell me stories.

GH, since your role is quite well known now, might you at least quote some parts of your PM to us? I understand if you snip certain things out for security reasons. Just put my mind to ease.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My most recent feedback PM?

[Reenk Roink]

The Role PM please

[GeneralHankerchief]

Already posted it defending myself against ATPG. It should be the first one in the series. Let me check back and see if I can find it.

-edit- Here we are. My role PM is the first quoted bit.

[Sigurd]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

GH has produced evidence that there were fewer kills on nights when Sigurd, Quintus, and boudica were blocked. This evidence is very decent and is vastly superior to lynching based on posting and voting patterns. Get your heads out of your and lynch the people listed above.

I am never lucky with dice...

But you are wrong. You should know better. The mafia can opt for not killing and make false clues such as this to slip under the radar. You have used it yourself in other games.
Besides Quintus is already dead.
GH said so himself... He was waiting for the feedback PM before making the vote. When it did not reveal anything he voted me based on gut feeling.

Seireikhaan is probably innocent. Should he survive I would let him live. Nobody plays that balsy if they are mafia.

[TinCow]

I am never lucky with dice...

But you are wrong. You should know better. The mafia can opt for not killing and make false clues such as this to slip under the radar. You have used it yourself in other games.
Besides Quintus is already dead.
GH said so himself... He was waiting for the feedback PM before making the vote. When it did not reveal anything he voted me based on gut feeling.

Of course they can opt to not kill. Sheer probability suggests that most, if not all, of the 3 of you are townies. However, this is the only solid evidence that exists in the game right now. Everything else is the usual analysis of posting patterns. If mafia has taught me anything, it's that hard evidence is ALWAYS better to work on than hunches and post-analysis. The games I have won as mafia have largely been because I was able to get the town to ignore the evidence and vote based on less solid leads.

At the current time, the evidence shows people being blocked on nights that there were fewer kills. I challenge anyone to tell me what evidence there is out there right now that is stronger than this.

[Sigurd]

At the current time, the evidence shows people being blocked on nights that there were fewer kills. I challenge anyone to tell me what evidence there is out there right now that is stronger than this.

Yet no failed attempts were narrated as promised. Either a) GH has not blocked a mafia at all or b) He blocked the mafia on the day the mafia chose to not kill.

But the mafia has not got rid of the blocker yet and they had the chance last night. Why? I suspect something fishy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, if I block mafia there will not be a writeup.

If I protect somebody who gets attacked by the mafia... then there will be a writeup.

[Sigurd]

No, if I block mafia there will not be a writeup.

If I protect somebody who gets attacked by the mafia... then there will be a writeup.

Ok... if this is true, then I must be the shadow killer as this was the only missing role on both nights.
There was a confirmed kill and a foiled kill where two power roles were involved. Yet none of you compared this to the blocking results... Fishy I tell you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I need to go back and check the writeups. If this checks out and I did make a mistake, my apologies. And FWIW, I based my vote off of a combination of yours and TinCow's arguments.

[TinCow]

Yet no failed attempts were narrated as promised. Either a) GH has not blocked a mafia at all or b) He blocked the mafia on the day the mafia chose to not kill.

But the mafia has not got rid of the blocker yet and they had the chance last night. Why? I suspect something fishy.

This is entirely correct. The mafia could be leaving GH alive for various reasons, but he could also be deceiving us. It's a question of balance. The longer the game goes on without GH being killed, the greater the likelihood that he is deceiving us. The mafia could know this and be intentionally leaving him alive, but it's risky for them too, since he might block them. We will eventually reach a point where GH may have to be lynched simply because his mere survival would be evidence of scumminess. However, we're nowhere near that point yet. A smart mafioso could get by with GH alive for a very, very long time, but I'm willing to bet that they'll get squeemish and kill GH long before the town needs to seriously start looking at lynching him.