The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

This is a very poor attempt at trying to simply not answer the question.

There's no point in answering because the questions are self-answered if one actually reads the post in conjunction with what Ibn-Khaldun was alledging.

[ULC]

There's no point in answering because the questions are self-answered if one actually reads the post in conjunction with what Ibn-Khaldun was alledging.

Yes, but your jumping when your suddenly voted for and find someone easy to vote for. Yet for most of everything you have been exceptionally silent. For such a insightful and well thought out man, SK, you have yet to do anything to help the town except nod and agree, and post how terrible your life is (still sucks when you have to go to work in -25 though ).

Your a veteran player, yet you have left the town hanging.

[seireikhaan]

Fine. Tell ya what. I'll reread the entire thread, and be back in about two hours.

Also, I also never stated my life sucks. On the contrary, I'm pretty content with my life at the moment. Frazzled at times, no doubt. But good on the whole.

[ULC]

Fine. Tell ya what. I'll reread the entire thread, and be back in about two hours.

Also, I also never stated my life sucks. On the contrary, I'm pretty content with my life at the moment. Frazzled at times, no doubt. But good on the whole.

Well, okay, I admit you never said that, but your DAY still sucked though...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Boudica

12 Posts (3 prior to play); rate is 0.80 posts per page of 40 (0.65 ppp during play); most posts moderate to short. Posts had a strong role-play tone at outset, less so as game continues. Made a few anti-lurker references, but has semi-lurked herself. Once posted that she’d be back to vote and/or defend herself, but only came back to say RIP to jolt.

Voted for Factionheir on TinCow’s suggestion to wake up a vet. Voted for Sereikhaan in what seems a very Meatball-style vote in this latest round.

GH blocked her....and if I recall there were few kills that night.


Someone persuade me that I am on the wrong track....

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Ibn-Khaldun

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

The case:

First of all, we must consider the General's behavior in the backdrop that he was going to "rock us like a hurricane."

Round one-- GH votes for TinCow as a "precautionary tactic" right off the bat. Talks a bit with Reenk over Reenk's styles of play. This seems to hint that, perhaps, GH was hoping to dredge a lynch against him later. The round goes on for a bit with the usual "round one-ish" sort of junk. GH, at 12:55 claims "Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery." FIVE HOURS later, responding to TinCow's aggravation at being railroaded for no reason, he stated, "Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement." This is false. He claimed five hours earlier that he dearly wished for the round to be finished. What this does is attempt to give legitimacy to his supposedly "random and pre-cautionary" vote despite the fact that he seemed to have harbored "greater suspicion" towards Reenk during their talks. End result: TinCow, a very, very good player, is lynched and given the infinite agnosticism towards his innocence which comes from lynch.

Round two-- Very curious, GH doesn't vote. Rather lacking coming from our resident hurricane. Further complicating things is that there is a boatload of other non-voters to blend in with. I realize that the Golden Rule had not finished yet; however, this is not good enough as a reason. I expect a vote every round, at least an abstain, if we are to pronounce you "Ser Hurricane".

Round Three-- GH abstains. Rather unfortunate in terms of attempting to analyze. However, it is here that he "reveals" his role under enormous pressure. Now, I do not doubt that the General has a role blocking role. Indeed, there are far too many vouching for having been blocked. However, I doubt the allignment. I'll get into this further later on in the post.

Round Four-- GH claims "Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC". "Screw it?" Really? Is that the best you can do? You would claim suspicion of Sigurd, but didn't vote on it. Instead, you voted to "give an extra tie". For what, exactly? As you claimed later, just before the lynch: "Frankly I don't think any of the favorites for this round look guilty.

Boudica seems innocent to me, I don't trust Sigurd (who voted for CA) as far as I can throw him, Quintus is helping out, and Beefy would be playing a better game if he was mafia (see Golden Rule) and Jolt doesn't stand out enough in my mind to be lynched." You didn't vote on the person you thought suspicious, and instead waited a round. Why? Well, there was little momentum against Sigurd at the time of this lynch. I believe GH waited to get proper momentum going. But even more preposterous, you VOTED for a person you claimed was "helping". What's this all about?

Round Five-- Sigurd is lynched in a tie with myself. Now, apparently some people believe I'm actually good at mafia. So, if one is a mafioso, and there is a tie between an innocent Sigurd and an innocent Khaan, its a party, I guess? GH successfully got a lynch against Sigurd. The reason? Apparently, because Sigurd had expressed doubt about the role claim. You even admitted here that the case against Sigurd wasn't much. Yet you stood hard and fast, and helped lynch one of the best townspeople in the game on thin reasoning. To me, this stinks of you helping thin out the veteran mafia crew by way of lynch. I know you wouldn't kill most of these people and exhonerate them. So you resort to helping get them lynched, which leaves doubt as to their allignment, nullifying potential town support from any argument which comes from them. Reenk, of course, was a whole other deal entirely because of how badly he was confusing everyone.


Now, as for the role- you claimed you never receieved alignment in the role PM. This is one of three things. 1) Oversight by the INFALLIBLE Andres. 2) WIFOM. 3) You were intended to be ambiguous, and made a slip by admitting it. I personally believe it is 2)

Now, here's the thing... you claimed there would be narration if there was a successful block. In six nights, there has not been one successful block despite having the ability to block two people each night. And when Woad perished, you claimed you were "going to block him", but that you instead did Beefy and YLC and that this was "a bad night for the town". COP OUT.

But here's the part I really can't get my head around. You blocked Reenk night two. Reenk was not being lynched, in ultimatum. You clearly believed Reenk to be innocent, due to never voting for him. Reenk was claiming a very important role. WHY DID YOU STOP PROTECTING/BLOCKING REENK ROINK? This makes absolutely no sense. Further, that there were no kills on night two suggests that there was, in fact, a block taking place. Look at the number of kills that have been taking place recently. Can one really believe that there was NO blocks on night two? Think about it... Reenk has repeatedly claimed he was "doing way" or wanted to "do away" with various people, obviously claiming he had kill power. TI believe the General blocked Reenk on behalf of his nervous mafia comrades, to attempt to a) stop an attempt on his life, thus exhonerating him, and b) stop Reenk himself. When it became clear the town wasn't taking the bait fast enough, the protection/block stopped, and Reenk was killed by the mafia to eliminate his threat. And here's the curious thing... only after Reenk's blocking do the kills pickup. To me, this is what this means: Reenk started the game with some kind of vigenlante ability. The mafia/other, for whatever reason Andres devised up, had to wait. For what? Who knows.



I URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE GH. HE IS PLAYING YOU.

[CountArach]

IK seems like a wasted lynch to me. He seems to be making common noobish mistakes, and as such just serves to detract from a real hunt for the mafia. We have no way to read him yet, seeing as he is new.

I'm not sure I buy khaan's reasoning to vote GH. I just can't see a role-blocker being useful to the mafia at all and I am fairly sure Andres would see things a similar way. Perhaps if there were several mafia families this would be a decent role, but in a game with one family I am not so sure.

[glyphz]

Vote: Boudica

12 Posts (3 prior to play); rate is 0.80 posts per page of 40 (0.65 ppp during play); most posts moderate to short. Posts had a strong role-play tone at outset, less so as game continues. Made a few anti-lurker references, but has semi-lurked herself. Once posted that she’d be back to vote and/or defend herself, but only came back to say RIP to jolt.

Voted for Factionheir on TinCow’s suggestion to wake up a vet. Voted for Sereikhaan in what seems a very Meatball-style vote in this latest round.

GH blocked her....and if I recall there were few kills that night.


Someone persuade me that I am on the wrong track....

boudica was blocked, by GH, nights 4 (w/ Atpg) and 5 (w/ Sigurd).

N4 - There were 2 diggers (who we believe are the mafia), and 1 death (Atpg-shadow guy)
N5 - 1 death (Quintus- gun = mafia) and 1 failed attempt (also used a gun = mafia)

According to this, the likelihood of boudica being mafia/shadow guy is very small or even 0, I think.

[ULC]

Lengthy post SK, my vote stays with you. I find it hard to take it seriously in the sense of me switching my vote - yes, you posted a lot, but really, a sudden focus on GH? Understandably, he is the roleblocker, he is still alive, and it appears you HAVE a case against him, but it actually took me prompting you to even bother - otherwise you would have merrily lurked away.

[boudica]

boudica was blocked, by GH, nights 4 (w/ Atpg) and 5 (w/ Sigurd).

N4 - There were 2 diggers (who we believe are the mafia), and 1 death (Atpg-shadow guy)
N5 - 1 death (Quintus- gun = mafia) and 1 failed attempt (also used a gun = mafia)

According to this, the likelihood of boudica being mafia/shadow guy is very small or even 0, I think.

To answer Seamus - I completely understand that the facts you have listed might point to me, but can only cite RL busy-ness (as well as trying to keep track of 3 threads in this game room) as an excuse for poor contribution to this game.

While you may feel that establishing my allegiance by lynching me is helpful to town right now, I reiterate that in the long run it will only help the mafia numbers-wise.

I agree that my vote for Sereikhaan was far more unconsidered than I any vote should be - at that point I was short on time and compelled to vote for whatever jumped out of the thread at me.

(What in-game time is it right now)Anyway - Apologies for not being more helpful, but at this stage I do not have any idea about who the two mafia family members might be. I'll try to go through the thread again today and come up with a vote that is based on evidence and not comments about the weather.