The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Is Kommodus still around? I really miss him..

Chaotix is just lurking then

[Lord Winter]

Lord Winter, how exactly is it scummy??

Let's use logic here. Do you really think that Andres would make ME a mafia??
I have played one a long time ago and thus I'm still a total newbie in these games.
So, according to your logic, Andres would make me a mafioso just because I'm totally inexperienced guy who actually don't know much about mafia games??

You deny it then try to suddenly shift it off on another player. I've seen mafia use such tactics before.

and GH I think his range could fall into a mafia response. He's also a good choice for the anti lurker drive.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Plenty of "newbies" have been made mafia in the past.

[ULC]

Rather quick to speak again, aren't you SK? You get voted and then poop out of nowhere to make an easy vote without really trying to think about it or explain it.

[seireikhaan]

Rather quick to speak again, aren't you SK? You get voted and then poop out of nowhere to make an easy vote without really trying to think about it or explain it.

This is a very poor attempt at goading an exaggerated response.

[ULC]

This is a very poor attempt at goading an exaggerated response.

This is a very poor attempt at trying to simply not answer the question.

[seireikhaan]

This is a very poor attempt at trying to simply not answer the question.

There's no point in answering because the questions are self-answered if one actually reads the post in conjunction with what Ibn-Khaldun was alledging.

[ULC]

There's no point in answering because the questions are self-answered if one actually reads the post in conjunction with what Ibn-Khaldun was alledging.

Yes, but your jumping when your suddenly voted for and find someone easy to vote for. Yet for most of everything you have been exceptionally silent. For such a insightful and well thought out man, SK, you have yet to do anything to help the town except nod and agree, and post how terrible your life is (still sucks when you have to go to work in -25 though ).

Your a veteran player, yet you have left the town hanging.

[seireikhaan]

Fine. Tell ya what. I'll reread the entire thread, and be back in about two hours.

Also, I also never stated my life sucks. On the contrary, I'm pretty content with my life at the moment. Frazzled at times, no doubt. But good on the whole.

[ULC]

Fine. Tell ya what. I'll reread the entire thread, and be back in about two hours.

Also, I also never stated my life sucks. On the contrary, I'm pretty content with my life at the moment. Frazzled at times, no doubt. But good on the whole.

Well, okay, I admit you never said that, but your DAY still sucked though...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Boudica

12 Posts (3 prior to play); rate is 0.80 posts per page of 40 (0.65 ppp during play); most posts moderate to short. Posts had a strong role-play tone at outset, less so as game continues. Made a few anti-lurker references, but has semi-lurked herself. Once posted that she’d be back to vote and/or defend herself, but only came back to say RIP to jolt.

Voted for Factionheir on TinCow’s suggestion to wake up a vet. Voted for Sereikhaan in what seems a very Meatball-style vote in this latest round.

GH blocked her....and if I recall there were few kills that night.


Someone persuade me that I am on the wrong track....

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Ibn-Khaldun

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

The case:

First of all, we must consider the General's behavior in the backdrop that he was going to "rock us like a hurricane."

Round one-- GH votes for TinCow as a "precautionary tactic" right off the bat. Talks a bit with Reenk over Reenk's styles of play. This seems to hint that, perhaps, GH was hoping to dredge a lynch against him later. The round goes on for a bit with the usual "round one-ish" sort of junk. GH, at 12:55 claims "Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery." FIVE HOURS later, responding to TinCow's aggravation at being railroaded for no reason, he stated, "Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement." This is false. He claimed five hours earlier that he dearly wished for the round to be finished. What this does is attempt to give legitimacy to his supposedly "random and pre-cautionary" vote despite the fact that he seemed to have harbored "greater suspicion" towards Reenk during their talks. End result: TinCow, a very, very good player, is lynched and given the infinite agnosticism towards his innocence which comes from lynch.

Round two-- Very curious, GH doesn't vote. Rather lacking coming from our resident hurricane. Further complicating things is that there is a boatload of other non-voters to blend in with. I realize that the Golden Rule had not finished yet; however, this is not good enough as a reason. I expect a vote every round, at least an abstain, if we are to pronounce you "Ser Hurricane".

Round Three-- GH abstains. Rather unfortunate in terms of attempting to analyze. However, it is here that he "reveals" his role under enormous pressure. Now, I do not doubt that the General has a role blocking role. Indeed, there are far too many vouching for having been blocked. However, I doubt the allignment. I'll get into this further later on in the post.

Round Four-- GH claims "Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC". "Screw it?" Really? Is that the best you can do? You would claim suspicion of Sigurd, but didn't vote on it. Instead, you voted to "give an extra tie". For what, exactly? As you claimed later, just before the lynch: "Frankly I don't think any of the favorites for this round look guilty.

Boudica seems innocent to me, I don't trust Sigurd (who voted for CA) as far as I can throw him, Quintus is helping out, and Beefy would be playing a better game if he was mafia (see Golden Rule) and Jolt doesn't stand out enough in my mind to be lynched." You didn't vote on the person you thought suspicious, and instead waited a round. Why? Well, there was little momentum against Sigurd at the time of this lynch. I believe GH waited to get proper momentum going. But even more preposterous, you VOTED for a person you claimed was "helping". What's this all about?

Round Five-- Sigurd is lynched in a tie with myself. Now, apparently some people believe I'm actually good at mafia. So, if one is a mafioso, and there is a tie between an innocent Sigurd and an innocent Khaan, its a party, I guess? GH successfully got a lynch against Sigurd. The reason? Apparently, because Sigurd had expressed doubt about the role claim. You even admitted here that the case against Sigurd wasn't much. Yet you stood hard and fast, and helped lynch one of the best townspeople in the game on thin reasoning. To me, this stinks of you helping thin out the veteran mafia crew by way of lynch. I know you wouldn't kill most of these people and exhonerate them. So you resort to helping get them lynched, which leaves doubt as to their allignment, nullifying potential town support from any argument which comes from them. Reenk, of course, was a whole other deal entirely because of how badly he was confusing everyone.


Now, as for the role- you claimed you never receieved alignment in the role PM. This is one of three things. 1) Oversight by the INFALLIBLE Andres. 2) WIFOM. 3) You were intended to be ambiguous, and made a slip by admitting it. I personally believe it is 2)

Now, here's the thing... you claimed there would be narration if there was a successful block. In six nights, there has not been one successful block despite having the ability to block two people each night. And when Woad perished, you claimed you were "going to block him", but that you instead did Beefy and YLC and that this was "a bad night for the town". COP OUT.

But here's the part I really can't get my head around. You blocked Reenk night two. Reenk was not being lynched, in ultimatum. You clearly believed Reenk to be innocent, due to never voting for him. Reenk was claiming a very important role. WHY DID YOU STOP PROTECTING/BLOCKING REENK ROINK? This makes absolutely no sense. Further, that there were no kills on night two suggests that there was, in fact, a block taking place. Look at the number of kills that have been taking place recently. Can one really believe that there was NO blocks on night two? Think about it... Reenk has repeatedly claimed he was "doing way" or wanted to "do away" with various people, obviously claiming he had kill power. TI believe the General blocked Reenk on behalf of his nervous mafia comrades, to attempt to a) stop an attempt on his life, thus exhonerating him, and b) stop Reenk himself. When it became clear the town wasn't taking the bait fast enough, the protection/block stopped, and Reenk was killed by the mafia to eliminate his threat. And here's the curious thing... only after Reenk's blocking do the kills pickup. To me, this is what this means: Reenk started the game with some kind of vigenlante ability. The mafia/other, for whatever reason Andres devised up, had to wait. For what? Who knows.



I URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE GH. HE IS PLAYING YOU.

[CountArach]

IK seems like a wasted lynch to me. He seems to be making common noobish mistakes, and as such just serves to detract from a real hunt for the mafia. We have no way to read him yet, seeing as he is new.

I'm not sure I buy khaan's reasoning to vote GH. I just can't see a role-blocker being useful to the mafia at all and I am fairly sure Andres would see things a similar way. Perhaps if there were several mafia families this would be a decent role, but in a game with one family I am not so sure.

[Beefy187]

With 15 players still alive, I think its rather foolish to lynch a player who claims a pro town role. He could be a useful asset. We should wait until we get down to around 10 players. Needless to say, hes active and been providing more ideas then many of us.

Especially because I was indeed in contact with GH (or who ever the role blocker is) last night. Why would a scum block a player when he could be killing countless innocents?

[Reenk Roink]

Aside from being too quick to the draw and getting some "facts" wrong, khaan is right that GeneralHankerchief is probably trying to play the town.

I was going to play along and wait for the right moment to make a strike against him but it seems it the shot has already been fired. Either way, you still have quite a bit of time town, so just keep GH on radar and get the rest of the scum.

Edit: I hope it's also painfully clear that seireikhaan is probably playing the town too...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm tired and depressed right now (see the NFL thread). I see khaan has made a long post against me. I'll address it tomorrow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I lied. Consider this post a basic overall defense. Tomorrow I'll get into specifics.

- First off, THINK OF MY ROLE BACKGROUND, PEOPLE. I'm the old man, the guide, the dude who knows Ephesus better than anybody else. If you think this is in doubt, then go back over ATPG's murder description. Everybody's going after each other for revenge or something in this game, and my town is caught in the crossfire. Every night I hide two people in a secret cave to try to save their lives (and block them) and tell them boring stories. If this sounds anything other than pro-town to you, please let me know.

- Secondly, I never voted for Reenk out of a desire of self-preservation. I had no way to know if Reenk was telling the truth about his "godlike powers" or not, so decided to err on the side of self-preservation and never officially get on his bad side. Considering my role I believe this was appropriate. Yes, I persuaded you to lynch him without ever actually doing any heavy lifting myself. Sorry for the manipulation, but it achieved what I wanted to achieve.

- Thirdly, my case against Sigurd had nothing to do with his skepticism of my reveal. It had to do with general thread behavior and more specifically his convenient lapse of memory as far as my role in Spirit Mafia was concerned.

G'night all.

[glyphz]

Vote: Boudica

12 Posts (3 prior to play); rate is 0.80 posts per page of 40 (0.65 ppp during play); most posts moderate to short. Posts had a strong role-play tone at outset, less so as game continues. Made a few anti-lurker references, but has semi-lurked herself. Once posted that she’d be back to vote and/or defend herself, but only came back to say RIP to jolt.

Voted for Factionheir on TinCow’s suggestion to wake up a vet. Voted for Sereikhaan in what seems a very Meatball-style vote in this latest round.

GH blocked her....and if I recall there were few kills that night.


Someone persuade me that I am on the wrong track....

boudica was blocked, by GH, nights 4 (w/ Atpg) and 5 (w/ Sigurd).

N4 - There were 2 diggers (who we believe are the mafia), and 1 death (Atpg-shadow guy)
N5 - 1 death (Quintus- gun = mafia) and 1 failed attempt (also used a gun = mafia)

According to this, the likelihood of boudica being mafia/shadow guy is very small or even 0, I think.

[ULC]

Lengthy post SK, my vote stays with you. I find it hard to take it seriously in the sense of me switching my vote - yes, you posted a lot, but really, a sudden focus on GH? Understandably, he is the roleblocker, he is still alive, and it appears you HAVE a case against him, but it actually took me prompting you to even bother - otherwise you would have merrily lurked away.

[boudica]

boudica was blocked, by GH, nights 4 (w/ Atpg) and 5 (w/ Sigurd).

N4 - There were 2 diggers (who we believe are the mafia), and 1 death (Atpg-shadow guy)
N5 - 1 death (Quintus- gun = mafia) and 1 failed attempt (also used a gun = mafia)

According to this, the likelihood of boudica being mafia/shadow guy is very small or even 0, I think.

To answer Seamus - I completely understand that the facts you have listed might point to me, but can only cite RL busy-ness (as well as trying to keep track of 3 threads in this game room) as an excuse for poor contribution to this game.

While you may feel that establishing my allegiance by lynching me is helpful to town right now, I reiterate that in the long run it will only help the mafia numbers-wise.

I agree that my vote for Sereikhaan was far more unconsidered than I any vote should be - at that point I was short on time and compelled to vote for whatever jumped out of the thread at me.

(What in-game time is it right now)Anyway - Apologies for not being more helpful, but at this stage I do not have any idea about who the two mafia family members might be. I'll try to go through the thread again today and come up with a vote that is based on evidence and not comments about the weather.

[Chaotix]

Honestly, GH has said himself (Or maybe it was TinCow? I forget.) in this thread that the best thing to do in a case like this is lynch both sides of the argument to make sure you catch the mafia.

Of course, we have to consider the fact that unless some lurker has decided not to shoot GH down from his high horse, then it is very probable he is the blocker and the "kind old man". Seireikhaan, however, we know nothing about, and have very little evidence before his giant, unexpected wall of text for or against his innocence. The post itself, as Reenk has noted, is obviously trying to manipulate the town to vote in a certain direction. Whether khaan honestly suspects GH or has instead just decided it's the right time to use him as lynch bait is the million dollar question here. And as khaan generally seems to take the more covert side on mafia games, I will assume he probably has some sort of ulterior motive to getting GH lynched.

Unvote: Caius

Vote: seireikhaan

You have made a decent case against GH, seireikhaan. But if you won't defend yourself, there is little reason for us to believe you.

[TinCow]

Hmm...

This is an interesting situation. I would very much recommend that both sereikhaan and GH are left alive this round. This situation needs more discussion and should not be subjected to knee-jerk reactions to whoever posted last.

[seireikhaan]

Defend myself? Okay, how about you guys actually look back to the last round? I could have easily cast the fourth vote on Sigurd and saved my skin. I didn't, and left my fate up to a coin flip. Why? Because I'm expendable.

[Lord Winter]

IK seems like a wasted lynch to me. He seems to be making common noobish mistakes, and as such just serves to detract from a real hunt for the mafia. We have no way to read him yet, seeing as he is new.

I'm not sure I buy khaan's reasoning to vote GH. I just can't see a role-blocker being useful to the mafia at all and I am fairly sure Andres would see things a similar way. Perhaps if there were several mafia families this would be a decent role, but in a game with one family I am not so sure.

No wait I thought there were two families in this game?

As for IK noobish mistakes don't give innocence.

But here's the part I really can't get my head around. You blocked Reenk night two. Reenk was not being lynched, in ultimatum. You clearly believed Reenk to be innocent, due to never voting for him. Reenk was claiming a very important role. WHY DID YOU STOP PROTECTING/BLOCKING REENK ROINK? This makes absolutely no sense. Further, that there were no kills on night two suggests that there was, in fact, a block taking place. Look at the number of kills that have been taking place recently. Can one really believe that there was NO blocks on night two? Think about it... Reenk has repeatedly claimed he was "doing way" or wanted to "do away" with various people, obviously claiming he had kill power. TI believe the General blocked Reenk on behalf of his nervous mafia comrades, to attempt to a) stop an attempt on his life, thus exhonerating him, and b) stop Reenk himself. When it became clear the town wasn't taking the bait fast enough, the protection/block stopped, and Reenk was killed by the mafia to eliminate his threat. And here's the curious thing... only after Reenk's blocking do the kills pickup. To me, this is what this means: Reenk started the game with some kind of vigenlante ability. The mafia/other, for whatever reason Andres devised up, had to wait. For what? Who knows.

The alignment of Reenk was always in question during that time, he could have feared that he was some sort of SK and thus hoped that the mafia would do the town works for him. Yet at the same time, the more I try to justify it the more shady it seems, if he was driving the lynch why not block and receive conformation of what he already knew?

Just thinking aloud I'm going to have to go with 'Kahn
Unvote: Ibn-Khaldun

Vote: GeneralHankerchief


Lynching Khan makes no sense. Do we want to discourage people making in depth post?

[ULC]

NO, we don't, but Khaan only bothered to do so when I pushed the issue - it's as if he's not helping the town willingly. He is a veteran mafia player, and yet he willingly lurks when he knows his analysis could have been more helpful in earlier rounds? Something smells...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, here we go. For reference, here's my original basic defense from last night:

Okay, I lied. Consider this post a basic overall defense. Tomorrow I'll get into specifics.

- First off, THINK OF MY ROLE BACKGROUND, PEOPLE. I'm the old man, the guide, the dude who knows Ephesus better than anybody else. If you think this is in doubt, then go back over ATPG's murder description. Everybody's going after each other for revenge or something in this game, and my town is caught in the crossfire. Every night I hide two people in a secret cave to try to save their lives (and block them) and tell them boring stories. If this sounds anything other than pro-town to you, please let me know.

- Secondly, I never voted for Reenk out of a desire of self-preservation. I had no way to know if Reenk was telling the truth about his "godlike powers" or not, so decided to err on the side of self-preservation and never officially get on his bad side. Considering my role I believe this was appropriate. Yes, I persuaded you to lynch him without ever actually doing any heavy lifting myself. Sorry for the manipulation, but it achieved what I wanted to achieve.

- Thirdly, my case against Sigurd had nothing to do with his skepticism of my reveal. It had to do with general thread behavior and more specifically his convenient lapse of memory as far as my role in Spirit Mafia was concerned.

G'night all.

Now then, for the specifics.

Round one-- GH votes for TinCow as a "precautionary tactic" right off the bat. Talks a bit with Reenk over Reenk's styles of play. This seems to hint that, perhaps, GH was hoping to dredge a lynch against him later. The round goes on for a bit with the usual "round one-ish" sort of junk. GH, at 12:55 claims "Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery." FIVE HOURS later, responding to TinCow's aggravation at being railroaded for no reason, he stated, "Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement." This is false. He claimed five hours earlier that he dearly wished for the round to be finished. What this does is attempt to give legitimacy to his supposedly "random and pre-cautionary" vote despite the fact that he seemed to have harbored "greater suspicion" towards Reenk during their talks. End result: TinCow, a very, very good player, is lynched and given the infinite agnosticism towards his innocence which comes from lynch.

It's a first-round lynch. I'm not sure of your case against me in this round, but my reasons for not voting Reenk have already been explained above. I was considering shifting my vote to a third party (not TC or Reenk) for a while, since I never intended TC to get lynched, but after his "aggravation" post I decided to leave it on him.

Round two-- Very curious, GH doesn't vote. Rather lacking coming from our resident hurricane. Further complicating things is that there is a boatload of other non-voters to blend in with. I realize that the Golden Rule had not finished yet; however, this is not good enough as a reason. I expect a vote every round, at least an abstain, if we are to pronounce you "Ser Hurricane".

For the record, I lost track of things in that round. I do recall posting, I believe, and thought I had lodged my vote in that post.

Round Four-- GH claims "Screw it, let's make it six.

Vote: Quintus.JC". "Screw it?" Really? Is that the best you can do? You would claim suspicion of Sigurd, but didn't vote on it. Instead, you voted to "give an extra tie". For what, exactly? As you claimed later, just before the lynch: "Frankly I don't think any of the favorites for this round look guilty.

Boudica seems innocent to me, I don't trust Sigurd (who voted for CA) as far as I can throw him, Quintus is helping out, and Beefy would be playing a better game if he was mafia (see Golden Rule) and Jolt doesn't stand out enough in my mind to be lynched." You didn't vote on the person you thought suspicious, and instead waited a round. Why? Well, there was little momentum against Sigurd at the time of this lynch. I believe GH waited to get proper momentum going. But even more preposterous, you VOTED for a person you claimed was "helping". What's this all about?

Sigurd wasn't getting lynched that round. At that point, I didn't have my case against him, just a suspicion. If my vote left Quintus then he wouldn't have as much incentive to get on, post, and defend himself (for the benefit of everyone else).

Round Five-- Sigurd is lynched in a tie with myself. Now, apparently some people believe I'm actually good at mafia. So, if one is a mafioso, and there is a tie between an innocent Sigurd and an innocent Khaan, its a party, I guess? GH successfully got a lynch against Sigurd. The reason? Apparently, because Sigurd had expressed doubt about the role claim. You even admitted here that the case against Sigurd wasn't much. Yet you stood hard and fast, and helped lynch one of the best townspeople in the game on thin reasoning. To me, this stinks of you helping thin out the veteran mafia crew by way of lynch. I know you wouldn't kill most of these people and exhonerate them. So you resort to helping get them lynched, which leaves doubt as to their allignment, nullifying potential town support from any argument which comes from them. Reenk, of course, was a whole other deal entirely because of how badly he was confusing everyone.

Note my reasons for voting Sigurd above.

Now, here's the thing... you claimed there would be narration if there was a successful block. In six nights, there has not been one successful block despite having the ability to block two people each night. And when Woad perished, you claimed you were "going to block him", but that you instead did Beefy and YLC and that this was "a bad night for the town". COP OUT.

Protection, not block, how many times do I have to make this clear? If I hide Person Z in the tunnel and Person A sends in orders to kill Person Z that night, there will be narration. If I hide Person A in the tunnel, thus preventing him from doing anything else, there will be no narration.

Secondly, there was a narration of a protection in the thread - it just wasn't successful for whatever reason. Again, I refer you to ATPG's murder description.

Thirdly, the "COP OUT" bit. Let me guide you through my thought process yesterday. I roll out of bed, groggy and tired. I skim through the thread and see that woad has been killed. I barely got any sleep that night because my roommate snores like a buzz saw. When you're in that state of mind, there isn't much filter between brain and mouth (fingers?). I'm noting regret out loud that Woadsy died when I considered protecting him the prior night. Give me a break.

But here's the part I really can't get my head around. You blocked Reenk night two. Reenk was not being lynched, in ultimatum. You clearly believed Reenk to be innocent, due to never voting for him. Reenk was claiming a very important role. WHY DID YOU STOP PROTECTING/BLOCKING REENK ROINK? This makes absolutely no sense. Further, that there were no kills on night two suggests that there was, in fact, a block taking place. Look at the number of kills that have been taking place recently. Can one really believe that there was NO blocks on night two? Think about it... Reenk has repeatedly claimed he was "doing way" or wanted to "do away" with various people, obviously claiming he had kill power. TI believe the General blocked Reenk on behalf of his nervous mafia comrades, to attempt to a) stop an attempt on his life, thus exhonerating him, and b) stop Reenk himself. When it became clear the town wasn't taking the bait fast enough, the protection/block stopped, and Reenk was killed by the mafia to eliminate his threat. And here's the curious thing... only after Reenk's blocking do the kills pickup. To me, this is what this means: Reenk started the game with some kind of vigenlante ability. The mafia/other, for whatever reason Andres devised up, had to wait. For what? Who knows.

See reasons for not voting Reenk above.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

All right, look. khaan, I don't think you're a mafioso, just horribly misguided. I don't want either of us to get lynched this round. BUT. If it comes down to that, I will shift my vote to you because I am more valuable to the town's cause.

Lastly, I ask the town: What are your reasons for doubting me? Do you truly doubt my role, question its alignment, and think it's safe to lynch a role blocker (a doctor and role blocker for God's sake!) just out of precaution, or do you do this just because it's me? Just because I am the role blocker, as opposed to someone like glyphz, or Tevash? Think on that, folks. I am pro-town through and through.

[Lord Winter]

Your role description has no effect on innocence or guilt. It's also weird that you haven't died yet. I still find your defense vague and scummy but for now, we'll let you live and see what happens latter in the game. For now I don't want to take a chance lynching a power town role. We'll see about latter.

Unvote: GH
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun


Back to scum number 1, I still don't buy your defense and your a perfect example of someone just doing the minimum to avoid the WoG.

[El Diablo]

Sorry have been away on a long weekend trip and I do not have the RL time right now to get through the build up of posts.

Vote Abstain

Will tray and get back to this tomorrow.

Appologies to our host

[Yoyoma1910]

There have been some very good arguments this round.


There's also some interesting information in the writeups. I'm going to go back and see if I can figure out more abut these statues that may help us. I also find it interesting that after the kill one assailant lit a cigar, and then the other lit a cigarette. Any thoughts on the smokes? has it appeared in other parts of writeups?

[Andres]

I will end this round within +/- 30 minutes.