The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=738

I have other options here, and I can go in-depth as to why they reek in greater detail.


However, your aggressive defense of GH is pondersome. I'm actually curious as to your alignment, still-alive dude who I feel is borderline.

[TinCow]

Followers and supporters are not what is needed at this moment.

We need strong critical analysis and creative thinking.

...

So what if GH is Mafia? It's possible, yes, but who's the other one? Figure that out. That's who we need to catch. GH might seem an obvious choice, and maybe he's the Oswald. I don't know. Who's the guy on the grassy knoll?

I commend you for the above statements and agree with you. If we can find some solid evidence about another mafioso, I would not oppose lynching them over GH. However, it really does need to be pretty solid. If we're faced with a wishy-washy lynch based on nothing more than posting style, we're seriously risking lynching a townie. At this late stage of the game, we shouldn't do that. GH should be lynched unless there is some actual solid evidence about someone else.

I do support switching the discussion away from GH. I feel like the evidence has been presented against him in full. Hammering on it further isn't very useful. Better to discuss the remaining people, since we've definitely got more than one mafioso left.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed. The case has been made by several peoples against GH.

I would like to discuss Chaotix, Boudica and beefy. I laid out a basic case against them, not in the most poetic style, but I have time to discuss any or all 3 of them, and anyone else.

I analyzed EVERY SINGLE POST of EVERY SINGLE LIVING PLAYER. It is all stored on my computer in a separate file for each person, all their activity, scumminess, etc, is there to be discussed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hesitate to post my analysis while it is still night time.


I would prefer to wait, or give my results to someone. Tincow perhaps.

Please, I will have to go.... I would like someone to post my findings for me when daylight comes.

[TinCow]

You can't send anything to me, I'm dead. And so are you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dangit! That's right. *Fiddlesticks*

I tried to post a but some of the curse word still slipped out



Grrr.... how much longer might I have to wait? I want to unload this puppy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no choice. I cannot wait here for another 7 hours.

I need this to at least be put out there.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

El Diablo

Townie behavior:
Reasonable vote Reenk Roink. Asks question, notes no one answered. Reasonable question 448 TOWNIE 453

GH VOTED HIM. Analysis: TOWNIE

Lord Winter

Townie behavior: Not here for a long time, when he gets back he immediately begins analysis (444) 462
Good analysis 462

Anti-Ibn-Khaldun, Anti-GH, VERY ANTI GH!!! VERY ANTI-IBN!!!

Calls for more votes per lynch!!!!

Analysis: SURE TOWNIE

Yoyoma

Deciding vote on JOLT
~8 excuse posts (non-helpful, apologetic, non-contributory)
Lurks/post minimum 8 pages at 80postsperpage
Never followed up on the statue thing. He said he would.

Total lurker strategy... passive townie at best. Only attempt at being helpful was an odd attack launched at Ibn-Khaldun. Never followed up on the statue.

Not the best townie in the world, my friends. Very convenient mafia pattern.
Analysis: Scummy, but not confirmed.

Glyphz
Townie behavior: Asks reasonable questions

Anti-YLC. good analysis, pays attention, good humor. Pro-Pizza. 366. Constant tallys. Woad thinks innocent. Analysis: Probably town. Only responsible for one townie's death, so fairly clean hands.

Caius

Townie behavior: reasonable excuse for lurk
Not responsible for the deaths of the innocent.

Totally lurking. However, very cool lurker... so lurky that it's insane.

Seamus Fermanagh

Townie: abstains day one. Asks Reenk to reveal. Plan of action: 324, 390

anti-boudica, good analysis, anti-chaotix

ANALYSIS: CLEAN HANDS GOOD ANALYSIS, TOWN

Ibn-Khaldun

Suggests I am not guilty! post 568
Admirable behavior: No defense posts, just votes, and gives analysis later.
Refuses to defend himself post 590


Lurker townie, helpful and not distracting or trying to manipulate people.
Analysis: possible townie

Beefy187

questions almighty Pizzaguy: 2 times ("random" votes post 108, 267)
Apologetic excuses post number 454
Defends YLC post 333
Trusts GH! voted SK

post 614
With 15 players still alive, I think its rather foolish to lynch a player who claims a pro town role. He could be a useful asset. We should wait until we get down to around 10 players. Needless to say, hes active and been providing more ideas then many of us.

Especially because I was indeed in contact with GH (or who ever the role blocker is) last night. Why would a scum block a player when he could be killing countless innocents?

Analysis: bad townie, or scum! Lurks, doesn't give good analyses, does not seriously go after anyone, follower, apologetic, hasn't nailed any baddies yet.


Boudica


GH claims to have blocked Boudica. IF GH is innocent, Boudica is not.. GH defends Boudica. Voted Seireikhaan. Seamus Fermanagh nailed her! Glyphz defended her.

She never followed through with any in-depth look at the thread. she has contributed nothing positive and has been responsible for close executions. She is hypocritical, doom and gloomy, bandwagonny, Lurking, Lurking, Lurking, and only shows up to post when someone accuses her.

She is no one that town needs alive anymore. She can't hit the broad side of a barn when lynching mafia, and she's done nothing positive at all. Glyphz defended her, GH defended her. She is anti-seireikhaan and anti-Jolt, and constantly gives excuses for not contributing more.

She is a top suspect, along with her crony GH.

Chaotix

Seamus is anti-Chaotix. Chaotix is a TOTAL LURKER and has been one of the deciding votes in two bad lynches. He's absolutely worthless and urged people not to listen to me post 413. He knows better. He was hypocritical post 593, bandwagonned post 580, votes for veteran players, gave excuses for not doing more, and voted without a reason more than once.

Chaotix seems worthless to town. I've worked with him several times, he always does better than this. He's scum or he's giving an abysmal performance compared to past games. I dont trust him AT ALL.

YLC

Questions Pizzaguy: 2 times (post 415, 532)
Analysis: Defensive, partially helpful. Acts scummy a fair number of times. Absolutely refuses to go after GeneralHankerchief
Personality: Aggressive Townie/Mafia

Needs to explain post 530. Defends GH, never goes after GH. GH claims to have "blocked" YLC to clear him.

Notes: YLC has several points in his favor, with his aggressive reasoning; post 224, 227 About Bernard Third person. 245 he almost reaches an arrogance level comparable to Askthepizzaguy! 247 same. Good observation against Seireikhaan. Check Caius post 447. Woad and Caius disagree with YLC, so does Seireikhaan.

Analysis: Potentially very scummy... but redeemable?

GH

Otherwise scummy behavior: 8 times (Asked to ignore Reenk post 266) Veiled threat against me post 383. Supposed defense of me failed. Still alive. Excessive edits post 600. 616 stalling. 626 what a post! Says he's not a townie. CLAIMS HE IS TOWNS GREATEST ASSET (651) He is claiming he is the victim of a conspiracy.
questions Pizzaguy: All Game

Analysis: Should have been deaded long ago.


CountArach

Bad: Trusts GH
Townie behavior: Truly randoms YLC, attempted analysis, keeps vote on scummy people. Calls off lynch on Lord Winter. Cool head. Analytical. Believable excuse.

Analysis: Townie.

Sorry about the mess... it was really intended to be notes for just myself, and not for public consumption.



Each of these people had a 50-parameter mafia database search pattern before the analysis you see here. I choose not to reveal that search pattern, as revealing the parameters of that search will damage future results and make it a less effective tool.

I can give VERY specific reasons why I feel this way about everyone here. You either have to trust me or form your own decisions, because I doubt we can cover all the suspects before I leave.

And some of the people I thought were town? Yeah they were deaded by the time I got here. And they WERE town.

[Yoyoma1910]

Excuse me?!?


I followed through on the statue! I sat around and did 6 hours of research.

I even posted some general info up on here.

But nobody payed attention, or asked me for additional information.


You're too busy posting your egos.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Excuse me?!?


I followed through on the statue! I sat around and did 6 hours of research.

I even posted some general info up on here.

But nobody payed attention, or asked me for additional information.


You're too busy posting your egos.

I'm terribly sorry, but can you show me which posts were an in-depth analysis of the statue.

As I said, this was not intended for public consumption, so if I made an error or made a comment that sounded like it should have stayed in my head, well...

Apologies if I was wrong, but I didn't read anywhere anything conclusive about the statue. Link please.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yeah, as soon as you pay me the $180 worth of time I wasted. Otherwise, you can go dig for it.



And no, it's not going to be in depth, as stated. I posted general information. Nobody responded or asked for more, so I let it go. I'm not going to post a book on here if no one wants to read it. That's just spam, kid.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, if you disagreed with my comment, the onus is on you to post proof that I am wrong.

Can anyone else corroborate his claim to have been helpful? I honestly did NOT see anything that useful. And I did read each of his posts. I do make mistakes though, and I can't remember all this, and thats why I write things down.

[Yoyoma1910]

I don't see you being helpful. Just filling up pages.
And I don't have to prove anything.




Anyway, lynch me. I'm done.

[Yoyoma1910]

I tell you what...


It's tied to one of the great wonders of the ancient world


Those things on the side are animals


Those things around the chest are possibly many breasts, bull testicles, or some sort of satchel. The style of this decoration can be dated back to the Geometric period...


Figure it out from there.





Bye... WOG or LYNCH, your choice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not being helpful?


Ok maybe you disagree with my analysis, maybe you're not having fun, whatever the case may be, and I'm sorry if I've offended you, but... I gave an honest attempt at analyzing the living players thus far. You aren't my top suspect but you aren't someone I fully trust either.

It's not like you to quit. And if you're townie you shouldn't ask to be lynched at this late hour. Talk to the game host about being WOG'ed or replaced, if it's that serious, I suggest.

I know that these games can grate on people's nerves, but I hope we're still cool. It's nothing personal, it's just a game. We've had fun in other games. Sometimes we get put in an adversarial position and thats no one's fault.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You take points away from people because they have the nerve to defend themselves. The audacity! As a townie, it is your duty to do everything you can to avoid the lynch, since you know it's a wasted round. You say you analyzed one of my games; I'm assuming it's Mafia VIII since it's the most recent.

If you did read that game, you should remember Kagemusha, who faced immense pressure. When the final round came along, Kage was the only clear-cut lynch target. Did he lie down and take it? Of course not! He fought like a wildcat to stay alive, and eventually the town lynched the right person and won the game! Had Kage abided by your definitions of scumminess and pro-townieness, the mafia would have won.

[Yoyoma1910]

Wonka walks are best enjoyed before eating a 5 cheese and pepperoni pizza. Maybe with a nice Chianti.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus - Night 8 - Conclusion



The Ancient City of Ephesus - 2.00 am

Yoyoma1910 couldn't sleep that night and decided to go for a walk.

After taking a few pictures, Yoyoma1910 carefully looked around and noticed nobody was there.

Yoyoma1910 started to giggle, looked around for one more time and then started do jump and make some very silly walks.

A man, lurking in the shadows saw Yoyoma1910 giggling and walking very strangely.

"You seem to have no worries. Remarkable, under the circumstances."

Yoyoma1910 looked embarassed.

"Oops! Seems like you caught me. Well, I blame being under a lot of stress lately. I just came up with this crazy idea of walking silly and well, ... Oh, at least it made me laugh. It's been ages since I've been laughing!"

Yoyoma1910 smiled.

The man looked confused.

"People are dying and you are having fun?"

"Ehm," Yoyoma1910 looked very embarassed now. "Well, yes. But to change the subject, do you like pizza? I do! I adore pizza! Especially the ones with cheese, or pepperoni. Yes, those are delicious."

The man pointed his gun at Yoyoma1910.

"Oh, that's rude, pointing that gun at me and all that. So, this is how you thank me for bringing joy in this horrible place? How ungrateful! And I was just thinking about asking you to go eat pizza with me after this mess would be over. Now, now, now. I would have paid for the pizza and the wine! And maybe some musicians. You like music, do you? Put that gun away, will you? This is really not the behaviour I expected from a gentlema..."

Two soft popping sounds could be heard and Yoyoma1910's skull got penetrated by two bullets.

The man put away his gun and lights a cigarette. He leaves the scene, shaking his head in disbelief.

***



The temple of Hadrianus - 3.00 am

It was hot that night. Very hot. And thus, it seemed unnatural to have an ice cold wind suddenly blowing over the Ancient site of Ephesus.

Some woke up because of the cold. It seemed to come from the Hadrianus temple.

Others meant they could hear words being whispered by the wind.

"You will die... You will all die... Die..."

One moment, the ice cold wind and the whispering was there, the other moment, it was gone.

Many a tourist felt a shiver going down their spine.

***

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 8


The gate of Augustus - 8.00 am

The tourists gathered near the gate of Augustus.

The old man looked around. Only 9 of them were left. He started to shake.

The aggressive tourist pointed his gun at the old man.

"Why are you shaking? Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

Some other tourists walked to the ancient gate. They were carrying the body of Yoyoma1910.

"Dead, bullets in the head." one of them said, stating the obvious.

The tourists stared at each other.

"Guess we'll have to vote again?" one of them asked.

The others nodded.

It would be a very hot day today...

***

Alive (9)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
YLC
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (10) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
woad&fangs
shlin28
El Diablo
Yoyoma1910

Lynched (7) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd
seireikhaan
CountArach

WoG/Suicide (4):
Rythmic
Ignoramus
Tiberius of the Drake
Caius

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I blocked Seamus and YLC. Didn't let anyone know. Only one kill attempt tonight. I trust Seamus. You do the math.

Vote: YLC

-edit- Feedback PM:

You wake up Seamus and YLC. You take them both to the secret corridor.

You started to tell them about Ancient Rome and the history of Turkey. You add a few ancient jokes, but alas, again, you seem to bore them.

They both fall asleep.

Andres.

[Yoyoma1910]

See, I was innocent.


Anyone want pizza?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was put to sleep by Mr. Boring again. Nothing esle of note happened.

No time to analyze now, but I want to review the patterns of GH's protections and the number of kills. One of TinCow's posts addressed this, and I'll update it and review.

[Yoyoma1910]

Does anyone else think that all the statements about cold might point to Lord Winter?

[TinCow]

GH is misleading you again by claiming that YLC is the obvious result of a missing kill. There is one other option: CountArach. He was lynched yesterday, and that lynching would also reduce the kills by 1 if he was mafioso. There is a significant difference in the Day 6 and Day 7 write-ups that suggest that this is true.

Starting on Day 6, an "aggressive tourist" took over the responsibilities for the lynchings. This seems very much like a mafioso to me. On Day 6, the "aggressive tourist" was totally heartless and very brutal in the lynching:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

"Oh come on now, please shut up!" a tourist who was becoming aggressive said and he punched seireikhaan in the face, breaking his nose and jaw.

seireikhaan was on the ground, trying to get at his feet again, when the aggressive tourist kicked him in the stomach.

"O tempora, O mores!" the old man said, all of the sudden. In his hands he held the silenced gun. "Let us do this the civilised way." His hands shaking he pointed the gun at seireikhaan and fired a shot.

Tiberius of the Drake, who had been sleeping, like he had done for, well about roughly 200 hours, woke up, made a silent "Huh?" sound, looked at the hole in his chest and died instantly.

"You idiot!" the aggressive tourist said. He slapped the old man in the face, grabbed the gun out of his hands and pointed it at seireikhaan. Two popping sounds and a few seconds later, seireikhaan dropped dead on the sand of the Odeion, surrounded by his own blood and brains.

Definitely looks like a remorseless killer offing a townie to me. However, on Day 7 the same "aggressive tourist" shows up again and is actually very kind to CountArach:

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“Ok, ok, enough of this already,” an aggressive tourist said and he grabbed the gun out of Caius’ hands.

“You there,” he said, pointing the gun at CountArach. "It seems like you have the most votes."

CountArach looked very pale and his voice trembled when he said: “So it seems indeed.”

“Any last wish?” the aggressive tourist said.

“Well, I really love that local liquor they have here,” Rakı”. And I would also love to hear that popular Turkish singer one more time. What’s his name… Tarkan!”

“You really like that rubbish song?”

CountArach shrugged.

“Oh well then,” the aggressive tourist said and he took his mp3-player and gave it to CountArach.

Another tourist gave him a bottle of Rakı.

CountArach took the bottle, drank from it and pushed the play button of the mp3 player.

At the tones of Tarkan he continued emptying the bottle of Rakı.

He hardly noticed how the aggressive tourist pointed the gun at him and ended his life with a single bullet in the back of his head.

Looks to me like a mafioso killing his lynched partner in a relatively kind manner. My bet is that CountArach is the missing mafioso, not YLC, and once again we have GH misleading the town. Out of fairness to GH, though, I will note that he is clearly not the aggressive tourist.

[GeneralHankerchief]

N7 there were four actions. There was the Seamus thing, which I will still maintain was a block but remains ambiguous. There was El Diablo's death. And then there was the Mexican standoff.

Tonight, there were two actions. We don't even know if the icy wind means anything either.

Even if you make the argument that the Mexican standoff was one action, and not two, it still doesn't account for the second drop in a night action.

[TinCow]

No, there was a single drop. On N7 there were three actions:
1) Seamus
2) El Diablo
3) What you call the Mexican Standoff, which I contend is a mafioso failing (probably a second time) in an attack on someone else who can defend themselves well.

On N8 there were two actions:
1) Yoyoma1910.
2) Whatever that ghost is doing - this is the same thing that attacked Seamus

There is only one missing action and it is a mafioso.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's one out of four possible options. The other three - which are just as likely to be right as the one you suggest - all account for more than one drop in activity.

[TinCow]

I'm content letting the town decide which of us has the better theory.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, think about for a moment. If that wind thing was a night action, that means somebody had to send it into Andres. If they did, here's what the PM probably looked like:

Hi Andres,

For Night 8 I'd like to summon an ominous wind to blow around the town saying that we will all die.

Thanks!

Absurd? Yes. Foreshadowing by the host considering we're in the endgame? More likely.

[TinCow]

It was active investigating or otherwise doing something strange, such as we have seen in previous nights. This is no different that the actions before when the hysterical man was running around screaming and breaking things, not always at the same time. That stuff was added for a reason, not just color, and this is no different. Andres has been dropping serious clues the entire game in his write-ups. The odds of him abandoning that now are low.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please tell me how a wind signifies in any way a specific player action. In the past, Andres's similar bits have been related to a single person; hysterical screaming, a letter being dropped, somebody smashing statues, etc. They were the doings of a person. This was done by nature. I've used weather imagery all the time in my games to describe the state of the town.

[Yoyoma1910]

Weather has been a constant companion to the write ups in this game, whether it is the Temperature or wind...