The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Good now we got more lynching opportunities left.

Assuming GH is innocent, And the two who were blocked were not able to move, heres the suspect.

boudica
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
Glyphz

One of us 6 is a mafia

There should be 4 killers if who ever had the magnum is a killer and who ever is doing the super natural is also. Assuming that CA was a mafia, which reduced to 3, and 2 more amongst GH, YLC, Seamus.

Did I do the math right?

[TinCow]

The ice cold supernatural thing was the thing that attacked Seamus:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

A sudden forecast at Ephesus had darkened the moon and the star constellations making the ancient city dark as the tomb of Saint John.

Seamus had felt uneasy all day as if something evil was brewing in the general area of the ruin city, and had taken to wander amongst the ancient attractions. He finally found himself at the tomb of Saint John. Seamus had since childhood been sensitive to spiritual things and he finally found some peace here at the grave of the apostle.

The clouds dispersed briefly and the moonlight bathed the tomb area in an eerie light. A sudden fright pricked the heart of Seamus as he saw the resemblance of a faint being leaning at one of the pillars. The moon was swallowed by the clouds again and Seamus felt the hair on his neck stand out. He croaked: “W..wh..o are y..you?” The darkness surrounding him gave no answer and the peaceful feeling he had had was replaced by a heavy sense of hatred. The darkness closed around him and he felt as if the darkness wanted to crush him. “What do you want with me?” he screamed to the darkness. It was but a faint croak that slipped past his lips which somehow felt frozen. Yes…. The temperature had fallen and he was shivering. Then something slapped against his face. At first just a faint physical stroke as if a feather was pulled across his face, then harder and harder until it bloodied his nose.

He still couldn’t hear anything. Even the night creatures were silent. Then a faint sound came from nowhere in particular. It grew louder and louder until he could clearly hear that it was laughter. The laugher was wild and unrestrained like a madman’s.

When it finally stopped, a voice boomed out: “ There are just a few more things I would like to try out”. A piercing pain gripped around Seamus’ heart and he slumped to the ground in agony. The pain was unbearable and he was about to surrender his soul to the grave when suddenly it passed, leaving him panting on the marble that gave floor to the tomb.

The moon cleared the sky again and Seamus could see a clear outline of a man standing above him. The face was terrible to look at and the smile of the creature was twisted and it gnashed its teeth when it talked. “I have a mission, dear Seamus and I must leave you be. Talk of this to no-one, or I will be forced to come and see you again”. The eyes of the being started to glow in an eerie reddish color. And when the moon went behind the clouds, only the red eyes were visible in the darkness. The evil presence disappeared when the eyes blinked out and Seamus was left lying next to the tomb stone which read: ST. JEAN IN MEZARI. What was that being and what would befall the tourists here at Ephesus?”

Allthough it seemed like he just imagined his nose bleeding and apparently nothing had happened to him, Seamus was
afraid, very afraid.

It is not being mentioned again as a coincidence. Last night it succeeded in doing something to Seamus, and tonight it did something, or attempted to do something, that did not involve attacking someone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

and tonight it did something

It blew around.

There was no mention of it doing anything specific. I still say weather imagery.

[TinCow]

You want to buy a bridge?

[Yoyoma1910]

What about the cigar and the cigarette?


The man who killed last night smoked a cigarette.

The man who didn't kill last night smoked a cigar after his kill.

[Beefy187]

Ignored..

Thats it, im going off to Yahoo sports!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

YLC, you've posted in a ton of other Gameroom threads the past couple of hours but not here.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:27
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Care to share?

[ULC]

You want me to defend myself?

[GeneralHankerchief]

That would be helpful for the town to base their decision off of, yes.

I'd also like to know who you were PMing.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:37
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Right after he checks the thread. Nice.

-edit 2- Okay, never mind with the PM thing.

[White_eyes:D]

That would be helpful for the town to base their decision off of, yes.

I'd also like to know who you were PMing.

-edit-
Last Activity: Today 20:37
Current Activity: Private Messaging

Right after he checks the thread. Nice.

Wow.....YLC seems busted.....*note to self, turn on invisible mode.....*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nah, he's legitimately PMing for another reason. I think.

[ULC]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

And I was speaking to Beefy about Noble Sons 2 - divine whatever you wish from my activity, as you well know in the middle of the day there really is no point. Plus, check your own PM box for the bloody evidence, since I sent you everything Beefy and I discussed.

[Beefy187]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

And I was speaking to Beefy about Noble Sons 2 - divine whatever you wish from my activity, as you well know in the middle of the day there really is no point. Plus, check your own PM box for the bloody evidence, since I sent you everything Beefy and I discussed.

This is true. I can testify.

[White_eyes:D]

Well he hosting another game I think...... but the fact does remained that one kill has stopped.....is he your Prime suspect or do you have another one???

[Beefy187]

However, I will be voting for YLC as there was less kills last night. Just waiting for his defense first.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, let's think. Over the past two nights there were four possible combinations:

Scenario 1: N7, there were three actions submitted: Whatever happened to Seamus, ED's death, and a failed attack. N8, there were two: Yoyoma's death and the wind. This is what TC believes. Now, he also is of the opinion that CA was scum, although this isn't certain. If you believe this entirely, than CA's lynch accounts for the one drop in kills, and that means I'm probably screwed.

Scenario 2: N7, there were three actions submitted. N8, there was one: Yoyoma's death. The wind was just Andres adding in some color (what I believe). In this case, there was a two-action drop between nights, and my blocking of YLC accounts for one of them. Thus, YLC should be looked in to.

Scenario 3: N7, there were four actions submitted, with the fourth being a kill order that ended up cancelling out another one, resulting in the Mexican standoff. This is my theory, although I'm more certain about the wind thing than this one (in this scenario, the wind thing was an actual order). In either case, there's still a two-action drop and YLC is in trouble.

Scenario 4: Four actions in N7, one in N8. With a three-action drop, YLC is almost certainly guilty.

In three out of the four scenarios, YLC looks like he's in trouble. In addition, even in the fourth, we don't even know if CA was guilty or not. He could have been innocent and the one-action drop be accounted for by my blocking of YLC. Probability is on the side of YLC being scum.

[Chaotix]

Alright, here we go again. I am not going to be posting another huge defense post for ATPG to read and then rip to shreds no matter what it contains. If he wants a huge defense post for "lurking" and being unhelpful, which is really just being busy and not having unlimited amounts of time to post huge analyses while trying to keep up with the game, then he can look back a few pages and find it. I very much sympathize with Yoyoma, here, as he was more active than me and accused in the same way.

Honestly, ATPG is usually very good in mafia games, but if he wants to criticize my "unhelpfulness", then he should stop limiting his accusations to what essentially boils down to "you don't agree with my logic so you must be scum".
If he finds anything else to throw at me besides what Seamus has already mentioned, I will be happy to respond, providing I have the time to do so.

I am going to Vote: GH now, as his charade has gone on for long enough, and the evidence has been presented against him in such a way that I find it odd more people aren't voting for him. As I said before I voted seireikhaan on the night he was lynched, in the case where two players accuse each other with large, long-winded posts, and it is not revealed outright in the write-up who is mafia, both of them should probably be lynched, as the probability is one of them is mafia.

[Beefy187]

The tourists gathered near the gate of Augustus.

The old man looked around. Only 9 of them were left. He started to shake.

The aggressive tourist pointed his gun at the old man.

"Why are you shaking? Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

Some other tourists walked to the ancient gate. They were carrying the body of Yoyoma1910.

"Dead, bullets in the head." one of them said, stating the obvious.

The tourists stared at each other.

"Guess we'll have to vote again?" one of them asked.

The others nodded.

It would be a very hot day today...

***

If the write ups are pure (not amended by the hands of mafia) then it means, either Old man is tired (his old alright), shaking from fear, or shaking from anger of tourists death, or shaking because his excited that they are dead.

"Why are you shaking?Afraid to die?"

The man shrugged and put away the gun again.

This two lines are rather fishy. The aggressive tourist asked the old man, pointing the gun at him. Shrugging was done by this aggressive tourist yes? I don't think this is a clue, but I just thought its weird.

[CountArach]

If the write ups are pure (not amended by the hands of mafia) then it means, either Old man is tired (his old alright), shaking from fear, or shaking from anger of tourists death, or shaking because his excited that they are dead.

The write-ups feel like the way Andres writes everything. I also doubt the mafia has that much control over other characters.

[White_eyes:D]

Beefy's right, the Old man would fit the MO of Bernade....(compete Psychopath excited by death)

[Beefy187]

Not sure. The write up can be taken both ways. However as it can be taken more of a positive way, ill go bet for none obvious. That old man is a serial killa.

Though, thats what I bet. I still won't vote for GH.

[seireikhaan]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

[Beefy187]

No, I flatly refuse to defend myself in anyway shape or form. I have nothing to defend myself with except TC own logic and reasoning, and for you that will not be enough - instead you will continue to hammer whichever point you wish home in some desperate attempt to shift votes my way, even though on the night you DID block me there were still a full set of kills - very weak GH.

Ok I missed that bit. I won't be voting YLC for now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, time to play my trump card. I've been holding on to this one for a long time.

I've been playing Mafia for over two and a half years now on the .Org. In that time, I've played a lot of games, and had a lot of roles, with a lot of different overall outcomes. I've been mafia-killed, serial-killed, vig-killed, killed then brought back by host error, first killed, final killed, lynched as mafioso, survived as mafioso, survived as townie.

But, in all my time on the .Org, I have never been lynched as a pro-town player in a Large game. Ever.

Oh sure, I've come close more times than I can count. But I've always clawed through it, escaping the lynch and then either falling off the radar or killed. The hammer has never come down upon me.

I realized this little bit of trivia quite a while ago, probably sometime in 2007. I realized that, for whatever reason, I always escaped the noose as a townie or an aligned role. I figured that sometime down the line I'd bring this up when the chips were down and the votes on me were piling up, and hopefully people would realize the significance of me finally divulging this secret and unvoting me. God knows I've been tempted over the years - Midgard (I think both of them), Chicago Soiree, heck, even Capo II, but I always ended up keeping my cards to my chest.

Well, no longer. The votes on me are in. The chips are down. And I'm playing my hand.

Guys, I know the evidence against me looks bad. Every time somebody points out something else in the Andres writeups that seems to point to my guilt I cringe. Every time somebody asks me a question that I desperately wish I could answer but I can't, I cringe. I realize that there have been a steady drumbeat of posts calling for my lynch for almost a week, game-time, now, a drumbeat that has recently picked up into a crescendo. Heaven knows if the roles were reversed, I'd be screaming for my head too.

I don't have a defense to many of your accusations. I truly wish I did, but I don't. And I do realize how truly scummy I must look to you. But, I say to you here and now, that I am pro-town.

I know this may go against every single instinct in your body, every single unbreakable truth this game has ever taught you, but you guys need to trust me. I am on your side.

If any of you guys haven't totally lost your souls to the complete loss of belief in the goodness of mankind that this game provides, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever experienced in your lives the feeling when every single person around you has laughed at you and mocked you for being wrong about something, but you knew in your heart of hearts that you were right, you need to trust me. If any of you guys have ever enjoyed playing with me or in one of my games even one measly iota... you need to trust me on this. I am innocent. I am pro-town. I am nothing more than I have ever claimed to be. I know nothing more than I ever claimed to know. I swear this to be true.

If the game ends and it turns out I'm lying, feel free to ostracize me. Never believe me about anything again. Ban me from your games. Heck, Andres, ban me from the entire Gameroom. But you won't have to do that. Because I am telling the truth.

I am on your side. I am probably about to be lynched. And I firmly believe that my lynching will result in the loss of the entire game for the town. And I really want to win this one.

I have just divulged my deepest Gameroom secret for the sake of a town victory in this game. You guys just need to trust me on this.

[seireikhaan]

Bah. I've known about that little streak for a long time.

[Chaotix]

That's a lot to bet on there, GH. But do you honestly think anyone will try to kick you out of the gameroom for lying in a game about concealing lies?

While you sound really earnest, and I would love to believe you right now, this is one of those times where the whole mafia game is hanging in the balance- and I know myself to have been gullible enough to believe someone and lost a game for it.

If you can provide a really solid case for YLC, or whoever you really believe is the mafia, then I will take my vote off you and support your vote. And then, if it turns out you are wrong, or perhaps lying, and then another townie is lynched, and then at least one more killed by the mafia, I'm going to have to lead the next lynch on you for it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's a lot to bet on there, GH. But do you honestly think anyone will try to kick you out of the gameroom for lying in a game about concealing lies?

While you sound really earnest, and I would love to believe you right now, this is one of those times where the whole mafia game is hanging in the balance- and I know myself to have been gullible enough to believe someone and lost a game for it.

I know, I have too. And it stings. You kick yourself for days.

If you can provide a really solid case for YLC, or whoever you really believe is the mafia, then I will take my vote off you and support your vote. And then, if it turns out you are wrong, or perhaps lying, and then another townie is lynched, and then at least one more killed by the mafia, I'm going to have to lead the next lynch on you for it.

My case against YLC is twofold: First, there is an extremely good chance that not all the drops in the night actions between yesterday and today can be accounted for by CA's lynch. Since my blocking of YLC was the only other variable, I have to look at him.

Secondly, there was the little PM exchange we had that I posted a couple of pages back in which he tried to influence who I blocked. I found this consistent with his risk-taking personality that I know from LotR.

Now, he's mentioned there being a ton of kills that night when I first blocked him a while ago. And truth be told, it may be an ironclad defense. But I'm waiting for Seamus's analysis on that aspect of the game.

Finally, even if we lynch YLC and he's guilty, the game will still continue on. The cigarette killer struck again last night, meaning that he is not YLC. Now, I will try to block him, or at the very least prevent him from killing anyone, but this game is far from over.

[seireikhaan]

Alright... Time to pull the ace, I guess...

So, do you guys remembering me launching some kind of tirade against GH, trying to get him lynched because I found all these reasons for his guiltiness? Well...

By this point, I feel kinda bad. The whole thing was an act. Pure and simple. I never intended to actually get GH lynched. So, let's get down to business, folks. We got one kill. Seamus and YLC were blocked. YLC clearly has no interest in defending himself because he knows people will just use it as a reason to attack him, much like he did to me. Hence, I believe he is innocent, as I was. Seamus, however, cannot be crossed off in my mind totally.

What I find interesting is the departure of the shovel-men. Why did they stop appearing? The cold wind... That, I believe, is a host gimmick to let the town know we're getting very close to the end. I personally take this as meaning there is, in some form or another, two allied mafioso left. This could mean there is still the potential, one way or another, for two kills after this lynch, meaning we very well may only have 2 lynches left. In other words, we really need to make this one count.

My suspicion is... Boudica.

Reason? Here. 3rd on the bandwagon. Ridiculuous? Not quite- my first game in mafia, when I was a scum, I got caught red handed by the very thing. Additionally, reasoning is quite poor. Suicides are inherently bad for the town- a scum won't do it, hence suicides just thin out town numbers unnecessarily. Boudica's a smart gal, and has, I believe, read a few games prior to this one. This was unexcusably poor reasoning for a bandwagon. Further, Seamus makes a good case here against her.

My second suspect... Chaotix. Here he blatantly ignores the ridiculousness of voting for a man who leaves his fate to a coin flip, admits I made a good argument against GH, but accuses me of not "defending myself". I proceed to point out the obvious once more, and despite 6 hours passing, Chaotix does not change his vote, nor even make a post. Maybe he wasn't online, maybe he was, but either way its now impossible to know because he hid. Instead of confronting truth when it took but one "unvote" to stop my absurd lynch, he wasn't there to hear my response to his "challenge". Why do you challenge a person when you won't even acknowledge they made a response to it? Or how about after my lynch when killings continued? Nope... just headed onwards with the game and ignored the previous absurdity.

Actually, you know what... Make Chaotix number one, and Boudica number two. I urge the town to examine Chaotix as the man on the grassy knoll.

[Chaotix]

Oh, I just know I am going to regret this, now...

You sound too earnest for me to disbelieve you here. Perhaps I am just too gullible, perhaps you are too good of a liar, and perhaps both are true but you're telling the truth anyway. The logic is sound here, we're just shady on the facts...

In any case, I will Unvote: GH and Vote: YLC.

This is either the biggest mistake or the best decision of the game so far. (Or my vote won't be the deciding one at all )
If town loses, they know they can blame me, then, at least.

EDIT:
To seireikhaan: First off, I apologize for not being there to hear your response- probably sounding like a broken record here, but I've been very busy. Nevertheless, I doubt I would have changed my vote. Plus, why single me out when there were two others who could have unvoted, too, but didn't?
Second, you just admitted your whole accusation was a farce. What, pray tell, was the point of it, then? Seamus and TinCow as well have even built on it to form a stronger case against GH. If you mix facts into your plausible lies, people tend to believe everything.

As for boudica, I definitely also find it odd that she's active in Chicago Soiree but completely inactive here

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You know, S'khaan, your summary got me to thinking again. Both of them jangled me, but of the two it was Chaotix I've been drifting back to in my thoughts.

Vote: Chaotix27


I believe that the entire game hinges on GH. His role is a unique power focus. I am reasonably sure he is NOT mafia -- but I have many jitters about whether or not he is pro-town, or in it for his own supernatural reasons.