I just bought M2TW...

[king of thracia]

EB is a mod above the others. It is the only mod I play having tried many other mods and the only thing that makes the Total War series worthwhile for me. Didn't much like SS

[Macilrille]

First, I am a Tolkien Fundamentalist, I hate the films and PJ. As I told Seienchin in private I want to face PJ in a swordfight with sharp swords so I can cut his fat gut open and watch him try to keep his innards in while slowly dying. Call me the Bin Laden, Mullah Omar or Ayatollah of Tolkien I care not.

I am very- very much a purist there. I can stretch myself to accept most of ICE's old MERP stuff, but no more than that.

Thus, I suspect TATW is not for me.

Second, my main historical field of research is Danish Viking- Middle Age, I wrote my Ma Thesis on that and am still one of the leading experts in the field, and unless something can fulfill my expectations in that field as EB does for RTW, I am likely to be dissatisfied...


So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

[Skullheadhq]

So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

Europa Barbarorum II?

[Macilrille]

If only, but I anticipate no EB II the next two- three years.

[Skullheadhq]

If only, but I anticipate no EB II the next two- three years.

I hope, sir, that you're wrong.

[WinsingtonIII]

So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

Macilrille, I don't know if you didn't notice my earlier post, but I really do think Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers is the closest thing that you can get. Just check it out at http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=354. Of course, I'm assuming here that you want an EB for the medieval era. If you're looking for the classical era I can't help you. Chiv II isn't quite the level of EB, but I suggest you give it a shot. If you want more focus on Northern Europe and Scandinavia, you may want to do the Dark Ages Era campaign instead of one of the others. However, this campaign is still in beta so it's not perfected yet.

[Atraphoenix]

I just play broken crescent and Long Road on it.

[Macilrille]

Thanks Winsington, I am going to give it a try. DL as I write.

[Knight of Heaven]

Macilrille, I don't know if you didn't notice my earlier post, but I really do think Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers is the closest thing that you can get. Just check it out at http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=354. Of course, I'm assuming here that you want an EB for the medieval era. If you're looking for the classical era I can't help you. Chiv II isn't quite the level of EB, but I suggest you give it a shot. If you want more focus on Northern Europe and Scandinavia, you may want to do the Dark Ages Era campaign instead of one of the others. However, this campaign is still in beta so it's not perfected yet.

Chivalry 2 is a work in the process. i belive its very good on the historical part , a nice aor system, and great building construction. the system is well put it. but it need some tweaks thats all. it has one or 2 historical error that i was able to identify. for example on late campaing Portugal werent named regium Navarre. its a major error. but in all its a great efort who a project who had a great future if the work continues on.

Broken crescent 2.02 it meets the requirements of a EB in M2tw engine. but its about midle east.


I agree the Lord of the Rings movies in manny ways arent the same as the books, but regards that they are one of the best movies ever made in cinema. It is uninportant to be faithfull to Tolkien books. Its the maker vision, based of the books. You just have to put things on the context.
It couldnt be the same, it just couldnt.

And if you want real historical acurracy in a video game try europa universalis. you will certainly have that. vikings and everything.

[WinsingtonIII]

Chivalry 2 is a work in the process. i belive its very good on the historical part , a nice aor system, and great building construction. the system is well put it. but it need some tweaks thats all. it has one or 2 historical error that i was able to identify. for example on late campaing Portugal werent named regium Navarre. its a major error. but in all its a great efort who a project who had a great future if the work continues on.

Oh I agree certainly. It definitely is not done, but it is a huge step in the right direction, and I believe it takes that step further than any of the other medieval mods. I think the reason that there are still errors, even in the non-beta campaigns is because there is only one modder working on the project at this point, so he has to fix everything, and it takes awhile for new versions to come out because of that.

Thanks Winsington, I am going to give it a try. DL as I write.

No problem! I hope you enjoy it. Just keep in mind what Knight of Heaven said about how it's not perfected and don't set the bar too high.

[Macilrille]

Suffice it to say I do not believe it was necessary to change anything in the films to meet the lowest common denominator. It may not even be so low as PJ and others believe. However, that is neither here nor there, so I shall now be quiet on the subject of Tolkien.

EU I know, I only have EUII I love the historical accuracy, but dislike the fact that the AI cheats and you cannot triumph as a player (without cheating, which does not feel the same)- or perhaps it is but I who have not sussed the system.

Chivalry...

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.

+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)

-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...

[WinsingtonIII]

Chivalry...

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.

+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)

-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...

Yeah some parts of the mod do not change enough or haven't had a chance to change enough. Remember that the Dark Age campaign is version 0.01 beta (like literally the first beta of it to be released ever). It's therefore not the best campaign to judge the entire mod by, as it is even more of a work in progress than the early, high, or late campaigns. Also, I think Northern and Western Europe was the area that received the least amount of attention in terms of new units, which is really unfortunate in my opinion. The Byzantines, Rus, Hungarians, Sicilians, the various Balkan factions, and the Islamic factions seem to have received the most new units as far as I can tell. The Byzantines have a pretty much entirely new roster actually if I remember correctly.

Look, I'll be the first to admit, it's no EB, and trust me, the incorrect faction descriptions annoy me as well, but you have to remember that this is the ongoing work of one person. If there was a true EB for the medieval era, I would certainly be playing it over Chivalry, but there isn't. Chivalry takes it a step in the right direction, and if you play Stainless Steel or Deus Lo Vult, you'll see it takes that step much further than they do, because those mods both keep much more of the original vanilla material than Chivalry does.

EB has spoiled all of us I think, Chivalry was the best I could personally find after playing 5 other medieval era mods. Now all that's left to do is wait for Dominion of the Sword to come out (if it ever does). That looks like it could actually be what we're both looking for.

I'm sorry it didn't meet your expectations, and if I use EB as a model, it doesn't meet mine either, but I want to play a medieval era mod, and this is the one that feels best to me. If you want to try a faction that has been almost completely overhauled from vanilla, I would suggest Sicily in the Early (They're called Ducato de Apulia or something like that in the early camp) or High campaigns. They have a lot of interesting units.

I'm also sure that the mod developer would love to hear from you if you have information on Norse names, he seems to take constructive criticism to heart and do something about it.

[Knight of Heaven]

Suffice it to say I do not believe it was necessary to change anything in the films to meet the lowest common denominator. It may not even be so low as PJ and others believe. However, that is neither here nor there, so I shall now be quiet on the subject of Tolkien.

EU I know, I only have EUII I love the historical accuracy, but dislike the fact that the AI cheats and you cannot triumph as a player (without cheating, which does not feel the same)- or perhaps it is but I who have not sussed the system.

Chivalry...

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.

+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)

-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...

The dark age campaing is not finished is a beta. compared to the others, and the mod is not finished yet, it needs some work. Remenber is only one guy doing this, if you dont like the names, then why wont you sugest of the sugestion threads?! Either way the guy says it so, the mod nees some tweekings.
Allthough i think it has a great potencial, the conceipt, and the ideia is very good. If the work continues on. Has for me im having much fun playing Jerusalem on high campaing, it uses some vaniila units and some new ones,but on the contrary to much mods im realy having fun, for a prolonged way, and best of all no ctds. a thing that bugs me the most on EB. Is the mod more unstable i played. but still i love EB, one must have pacience while playing it though.


Regards Lord of the rings, well what you say is probabiliy true, still, if you take the books out of the equation, you got a great piece of cinema ever made. For one one who doesnt like the "Movies", but like cinema in is true nature, Lord of the rings triology is still a work of art. And is briliant.