Could MP ever Peak again?

**Swoosh So** · 01-12-2009, 06:09

Still doesent change the fact mtw 1 was a far superior game in terms of gameplay.

elite cavarly on flat area can't break cheap infantry - Orly?

elite horse archers can't shot during move - Yes but they werent supposed to in mtw1 and took more skill to play.

artillery can't move - even during siege - Yes because seige is such a popular mp gaming sensation.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 01-13-2009, 20:57

Like I said, I think CA needs to get on the ball already, if they ever will, and make a good quality MP game. I also think the MP players, old and new, need to start playing also to help out the MP community again.

**Nobunaga** · 01-14-2009, 15:01

this game is really not meant for MP... TW is/was/and will probably always be a SP game...

CA had proven that with every release so I don't think that this time it would be different...

**KrooK** · 01-19-2009, 15:21

Yep Swoosh - I remember that into mtw 1 i was angry when my elite cavarly could not break typical spearmen.
Especially after reading about polish husaria destroying 5 times bigger pikemen units.
Artillery couldn't move and it was ok for you? Sieges into mtw 1 were stupid mostly because you could not move cannons.
And sorry but practically every eastern european horse archer could shot when running or attacking. It was normal here and it was classical tactic used by Mongols, Poles and Russians.

MTW 1 was better to multi because was more stable. But into MTW 2 on latest rules gameplay is really good again.
12500, max 8 cav and 4 ha really let us play skirmish. And situation when cavarly hit infantry and kill 50% of men only with charge is ok cause (for 12500 you can buy so many infantrymen) rest is enough to kill cav.

All in all - stop yelling start playing.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 01-19-2009, 20:25

I been saying that for years M8, start playing, stop aruging. But a lot of people here, if the game isn't JUST like STW, they refuse to play it, or some here won't even "waste the time" for at least trying it out. How can someone help the MP community if the person just sits around and complain about TW MP all the time on .Org, CCS, or whenever you are. That what makes me so mad.

**Swoosh So** · 01-20-2009, 04:44

Originally Posted by KrooK

Yep Swoosh - I remember that into mtw 1 i was angry when my elite cavarly could not break typical spearmen.
Especially after reading about polish husaria destroying 5 times bigger pikemen units.
Artillery couldn't move and it was ok for you? Sieges into mtw 1 were stupid mostly because you could not move cannons.
And sorry but practically every eastern european horse archer could shot when running or attacking. It was normal here and it was classical tactic used by Mongols, Poles and Russians.

MTW 1 was better to multi because was more stable. But into MTW 2 on latest rules gameplay is really good again.
12500, max 8 cav and 4 ha really let us play skirmish. And situation when cavarly hit infantry and kill 50% of men only with charge is ok cause (for 12500 you can buy so many infantrymen) rest is enough to kill cav.

All in all - stop yelling start playing.

It was a balancing factor that spearmen beat cavalry, maybe not realistic in some cases but still it made for good gameplay, anyway spearmen hardly featured in mtw1 online battles cavalry did.

About artillery u miss my point i dont care for seiges or seige weapons they were never balanced or fun at all. Most games i played in all the totalwar games had the title no arty.

And again about horse archers i was stating that they were never meant to shoot on the move in the game design, ofc they did in history. But still moving stopping shooting moving with cavs required alot more micro managing and was a nice aspect to the game. Infact this aspect of the game often seperated the good players for the bad as evidenced with kocmoc and magyarkhan their control of armies and micro was some of the best seen. Yet it was possible to win without them at all as you would know if you ever had the pleasure of facing and being trumped by AMP in shogun.

Rules are ok and needed in the new totalwar games but i bet most games consist of the max allowed for that unit each side like 8 cav max games having each army with 8 cavs due to the game imbalances.

I dont yell about totalwar anymore :) infact its quite far from my thoughts i only nip back to check if the scene has progressed or been revitalised as one day id like to come back and play. If u were reading the org around the release of kingdoms you would see that i was one of the few old timers praising the games single player mode (credit where its due) MP mtw2 is an improvement on rome totalwar but still miles from the gameplay attained in shogun and mtw1 mp imo.

All that said some parts about empire totalwar sound ok, so ill wait and see and maybe buy and play online if i deem it good enough to invest time in.

Understand most people here were posting positive stuff about the game even after we saw it decline for years, we have a right to be sceptical about the new games. If ca can pull off two balanced battle games in 1 sea and land ill eat my hat. I hope they do but i wont blindly get hyped up about it when i know the result will most likely be a watered down land battle game.

Warman i did come back and play mtw2, i had a series of 1v1 games vs kyolic who was active at the time to check the game out with this mod everyone was raving about. The result was the games were too easy and dident require much to win at all some basic movement and tactics won the games for me vs an active player, the game seemed more about army selection than much else, the shootouts were ok but nothing like the pav or musket battles from mtw1 or stw just not the same depth.

It doesent take a rocket scientist to find out why the old community just dissapeared with the release of rome, the game was a shadow of the ones before it in multiplayer. Mtw2 was an improvement but still isent upto the standards set by the first two games.

What do i need to play online these days? kingdoms and?

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 01-20-2009, 18:26

I understand if you hontestly don't like the game Swooshy, But I'm saying if someone not playing TW MP because of any other reason (besides they just don't like it), they just as bad as the new players who don't help.

**KrooK** · 01-21-2009, 22:35

Thx for serious reply Swooshy. But I must disagree with you into 1 thing.
If you want to play good now, you need even more "micro skills" than earlier.
Especially into cav - with full respect for good times (most of people here know that I liked
light cav and its dance into mtw 1) - now you have to be better with cav. You don't dance- its bloody fight. If you lost control for 5 sec - you are dead - no time to correct mistake. You have to repeat charges and repeat it well.