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    Unhappy Closing Down Club Gitmo

    http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/i...1-528cb682c4db

    Ending Abusive Detention and Interrogation Practices:

    Senator Feinstein today introduced new comprehensive legislation to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and impose broad reforms in America’s interrogation and detention practices. The legislation is cosponsored by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

    Specifically, the legislation, called the “Lawful Interrogation and Detention Act of 2009,” provides for a legal, effective, and humane system of gathering intelligence and holding suspected terrorists. It ends the practices of indefinite and secret detention and coercive interrogations that have been used by the CIA and at Guantanamo since 2002.

    “Coercive interrogations and secret detentions have brought shame on our nation and made the war on terror harder to fight,” Senator Feinstein said. “They violate U.S. and international law, and our treaty obligations. We need to return to the national norms and values that have driven the United States to greatness since the days of its founding, but which have been tarnished badly during the past seven years. This legislation will do exactly that, and advances policies that I believe are consistent with the policies and intentions of President-elect Obama.”

    The legislation has four key provisions:

    * Requires the closure of the detention facilities at Guantanamo within one year. All individuals held at Guantanamo must be:
    o Charged with crimes and tried in the United States through the federal criminal justice or the military justice system;
    o Transferred to an international tribunal, if one has jurisdiction to hold trials for such individuals;
    o Transferred back to their native country or to the custody of another country;
    o If the other options can’t be followed and the individual is determined to pose no security threat, released; or
    o Held in accordance with the law of armed conflict.
    * Requires the CIA and all other intelligence agencies to use only the 19 specific interrogation techniques that are authorized by the Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations. This requirement would put intelligence interrogations under the same legal requirement for all Department of Defense agencies, thus creating a clear, single standard across the U.S. Government;
    * Prohibits the CIA from using private contractors to conduct interrogations of detainees; and
    * Requires the intelligence community to notify the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) of any detainees being held, and to provide the ICRC with access to those detainees.
    There is one ray of sunshine though:

    Requires the CIA and all other intelligence agencies to use only the 19 specific interrogation techniques that are authorized by the Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations. This requirement would put intelligence interrogations under the same legal requirement for all Department of Defense agencies, thus creating a clear, single standard across the U.S. Government;
    Looks like the Army leads the way!

    It's available on-line so you can conduct "lawful" interrogations at home. Something the whole family can enjoy.

    I bet this was written years ago. So, opinions? Yea or nay?


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    Good. This was a long time coming. An end to the 21st centuries first concentration camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    Good. This was a long time coming. An end to the 21st centuries first concentration camp.
    The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is
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    About damn time we stopped trying to bring ourselves down to the level of the terrorists, maybe now america can lecture other countries on justice and torture without being hypocritical...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    About damn time we stopped trying to bring ourselves down to the level of the terrorists, maybe now america can lecture other countries on justice and torture without being hypocritical...
    I really doubt that will ever happen.
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    aw.... now where am i going to get my strippers from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is
    What do you mean lately? There's always been a flare for melodrama in the backroom, something to do with bleeding hearts and hormones.

    As for the topic, pretty neutral about it, it served a purpose.
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    You mean they were actually planning to drag the US name through the mud ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    The flair for melodrama on this forum lately is
    I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.
    Indulge me, if you would.
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    All NAZI concentration camps were built originally to house political prisoners like socialists and communists. And later POW's. For example Auschwitz (well the first one anyway, there were 3) was built to house Soviet POW's in 1941. They didn't start to house Jews and other "undesireables" till later on. Soviet GULAG's (GULAG is actually an acronym for the NKVD branch that ran them) were built political prisoners. Most of whom had been kidnapped in the middle of the night. And shipped to a camp and held without trial for years on end. Stop me if that sounds familiar. Soviet GULAG's also housed criminals who's crime didn't warrant an imediate execution. And during WW2 Germans were also guests.

    For fun GULAG means, The Chief Administration of Corrective Labor Camps and Colonies (bolds are where the letter for the acronym come from). And in Russian that comes out to GULAG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    I try my best. However. Gitmo does fit the parameters of both a Soviet GULAG camp and an early NAZI concentration camp.


    Not even close, there's a difference to be something that is a threat to human rights and the full scale indiscriminate murder of a race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Winter View Post


    Not even close, there's a difference to be something that is a threat to human rights and the full scale indiscriminate murder of a race.
    As Lars correctly pointed out, and you would've known if you bothered to read his post, is that the nazi concentration camps wasn't about extermination until later in the war(after Hitler's "final solution").
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