Just thought i would clarify this.

[fenir]

Now i was perusing the above stickies, and as i was freshing my memory of goodness to come....


I found this,

Strictly speaking Ireland was never part of Great Britain. The term "Great Britain" refers to the main island of the British Isles, consisting of England, Wales and Scotland; the official name of the UK is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The term "Britain", meanwhile, refers only to England and Wales. If it seems confusing, don't worry, many British people get it wrong too, using the terms "UK", "Great Britain", "Britain" interchangeably even though they are all technically different entities. Occasionally people do even simply use "England" as a catch-all term to refer to the whole of the UK, which really winds up the Scots and Welsh.

I believe at the time the game starts Ireland was essentially a British colony like any other, rather than an integral part of the UK; Ireland only became officially part of the UK due to the Act of Union in 1801 and remained part of the Union until Irish independance in 1922. I'm not sure if and how the Acts of Union with Ireland and Scotland will be portrayed in game; the Scottish Act of Union was in 1707, just after the game starts, so I imagine it will be in in some form.

I do wonder, actually, whether there will be any distinction between land that is part of your actual nation and colonies/conquered territory? It would be a bit odd if the population of India were able to vote in British elections, for example (not that most of the population of Britain were able to vote at this point either). Would it be possible for me to pass an Act of Union with the American colonies, for example, forestalling an outright revolution and granting the colonists representation in Parliament in return? I am very interested to see how government and ministers will work in Empire.

At first i thought i would leave it. But then, i realised, all it takes for chaos to rein, is one good man to stand idle. So i applied myself to the task at hand.


Sooo.


At the game start.

Ireland is an equal nation within "The United Kingdom of Great Britian and Ireland", (UK). Which was the offical name of the Empire and Country.
In fact their was No, "British Empire". No such declaration was made.
However, in 1533AD, King Henry VIII, declared England to be an Empire.

Now the Offical Names That make up the UK.

The Kingdom of England.
The Kingdom of Scotland.
The Kingdom of Ireland.

All three Crowns having been held by the Monarch. I won't go into how this came about, as this is outside our scope.
English King became King of Ireland, in 1169AD.
Scottish king, became King of England in 1603AD. As well as King of Ireland 1603AD.



Now,

The Kingdom of England.
The Kingdom of Scotland.

Are on an Island called, Great Britian. IN the Iles Britannica, or British Iles. Yes the name is Roman.
The little Britian island, is Called modern, Eire. It's orginally recorded name is Hibernea.

Together they make up the UK, and ireland. Or more corretly, The Britiah Iles main Islands.

Now most will say hey you forgot Wales. Umm no, wales was never a country, and still is not today.
Infact wales has been an English province for over 1000 years. While the Actual celtic tribes having been killed off many of hundreds of years previous.
.
But this is it's legal status. ANd has been part of England, even in roman times.

Ireland at game start is not a Colony. it is a Kingdom in Close personal Union, with England and Scotland. This is why Lords in Ireland, if not Catholic, sat in the house of lords. and Could be in the Westminster parliment. Now this has a lot of complexities to it, that also i won't go into, because it will bore most of you to tears.

Now the Act of Union.
In 1603 After the death of Queen Elizabeth I. King James the I of Great Britian became King.
That is, King james the VI of Scotland, as being a relative of Elizabeth.

At this time, very little was done to formalise this state of affairs.

However, in 1706 and 1707, acts of parliment in Scotland and England, where passed by vote to formalise the act of union between England and Scotland.

And thereby becoming The United Kingdoms of England and Scotland, to the Untied Kingdom of Great Britian.

Now in 1169AD, the Irish King and formost families of Ireland, offered the Crown of ireland to the English Monarch. In such, to unite the Iles under one leader, and thereby protect trade et cetera....
Another long story.


Anyway.


IN 1707 Union, the two parliments where done away with, and one parilment in London became the thing.

However, alot was done over the past 100 years to bring Scotland and England together.


Now in 1801 A formal Act of Union was enacted to bring Ireland Premantly into the the United Kingdoms. On an equal Footing. ANd thereby dissolving the Irsh Parliment in Dublin. Which was more like a Regional Board.

This would in effect, have given equal sharing, and a single parliment to All the English, Irish and Scottish.

But due to weakness, stupidity, Ireland went it's own way. ANd the story goes on, but we won't go into that.


So effectivly, England and SCotland, should be represented with one government, or two combining, but one country.
Ireland would also be in union with them as it was a kingdom with England and Scotland.

So pretty much how we have seen it in MTW. and MTW2. Late period Middle ages.


Actual correct name for all This, is The United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. Or the UK.
And Republic of Ireland.

The Union of England and Scotland, is consider to be the Best example in the world. Simply, beause it was a union of equals.


Hope this helps clarify.

Sincerely

fenir

[adembroski]

Just admit it: You don't get it either!

[Sol Invictus]

Good man.

[Megas Methuselah]

While the Actual celtic tribes having been killed off many of hundreds of years previous.

Really?!

[fenir]

Yes, not a single celtic tribe left now. You obviously believe different? Where is there a celtic tribe?

Sincerely

fenir

[Megas Methuselah]

I'm not contradicting you, friend!

I just want to know why.

[Martok]

While I appreciate what you're trying to do fenir, this thread would better belong in the Monastery.

[fenir]

Martok,

Only setting the mose for the game start as regards to the British Empire.


Methuselah,

cc, well all the tribes have been superceded by large entities. ie: Nations.




Sincerely

fenir