EB Forum Reforms

[Aemilius Paulus]

I'm beginning to actually agree with Aemilius here.

Agree with me on what?

[||Lz3||]

Agree with me on what?

That we need to lower/diminish/eradicate spam...

Reason

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Too much cholesterol...

[antisocialmunky]

Dude, every important general and figure in history had aides.

That was a stupid episode of South Park and an even stupider joke. Why the hell did you just spam in a topic about not spamming..?

[HayGuy]

Oh relax.

I agree this forum is getting swamped with worthless and even offensive posts. How active are the moderators here?

[bovi]

Moderators have tried to be as lenient as possible, as we don't really like to censor. If you want, you can add to the discussion over moderation here.

[Cambyses]

It is my opinion that it is impossible to properly appreciate history if we do not place it in a modern context, ie review it in our own minds with their unique experiences. If the discussion is limited solely to EB and there is no room for context I believe we will lose a great deal of the value from this excellent forum.

[Ludens]

Do I apply to join the Backroom or EB?

Backroom.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Honestly, I didn't see the point in locking the threads about ancient partying etc.. until people started talking about AIDS. Then the mods should have just deleted the 3-6 posts about it, posted a warning and let the conversation continue.

[Olaf The Great]

Honestly, I didn't see the point in locking the threads about ancient partying etc.. until people started talking about AIDS. Then the mods should have just deleted the 3-6 posts about it, posted a warning and let the conversation continue.

I remember back in the day when all the Offtopic posts were moved to the Blame Game or Tavern Threads.

/miss 2007

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I blame Dayve, and IN BEFORE THE LOCK

[a completely inoffensive name]

I remember back in the day when all the Offtopic posts were moved to the Blame Game or Tavern Threads.

/miss 2007

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I blame Dayve, and IN BEFORE THE LOCK

lol that would be ironic, that closing the EB Tavern to stop the massive spam and off topic posts just backfired and spilled all the spam and off topic posts into actual, important threads.

[Megas Methuselah]

lol that would be ironic, that closing the EB Tavern to stop the massive spam and off topic posts just backfired and spilled all the spam and off topic posts into actual, important threads.

Yes. Yes, it would be ironic.

I agree this forum is getting swamped with worthless and even offensive posts. How active are the moderators here?

Well, don't blame the mods. They need to sleep sometimes, see?

We seriously need to stop the stupid posts and topics that we know are going to get locked - there are so many, I'm beginning to actually agree with Aemilius here. Sure, it's great to have an alternate type of thread, but go to 4chan or something to flame people, etc.

So, Geek. What reforms do you propose?

[desert]

There's really nothing that can be done about spam except drastically increasing the punishment for posting it. I'm saying in general. And that's probably not a good idea.

That, or making 1000 anti-spam motivational posters that will appear every time you click Submit Reply.

[antisocialmunky]

Honestly, this is a useless thread honestly seeing as some of the biggest culprits have posted here denouncing spam. Well that's great but it only shows congnizance of the fact that there is a spam problem and that's its bad. Well I'm sorry to break it to some of you(you know who you are and I might very well be one of them), but you're trying to legislate a punishment for everyone when it is in fact not needed because the infractions are by few - many that are here. You are asking people to control your behavior - to rein in your acts. You can do that yourself. The current policies are fine, we haven't had much of a problem in the past.

I am just stating the facts. So to those who have been guilty of inordinate spam, don't. And to those who don't, don't add to it.

[Novellus]

Honestly, this is a useless thread honestly seeing as some of the biggest culprits have posted here denouncing spam. Well that's great but it only shows congnizance of the fact that there is a spam problem and that's its bad. Well I'm sorry to break it to some of you(you know who you are and I might very well be one of them), but you're trying to legislate a punishment for everyone when it is in fact not needed because the infractions are by few - many that are here. You are asking people to control your behavior - to rein in your acts. You can do that yourself. The current policies are fine, we haven't had much of a problem in the past.

I am just stating the facts. So to those who have been guilty of inordinate spam, don't. And to those who don't, don't add to it.

Now that I think about it antisocialmunky, your posts haven't been as "antisocial" as your name lets on. Of course, the Ancient Partying thread you started was locked, but it seems that you're cleaning yourself up.

[gamegeek2]

I'm just pissed that interesting threads are getting locked because people post stupid stuff.

Like talking about AIDS and nationalities.

[bovi]

lol that would be ironic, that closing the EB Tavern to stop the massive spam and off topic posts just backfired and spilled all the spam and off topic posts into actual, important threads.

They did that before it was closed, part of the reason why it was closed. And perhaps less ironic that your "EB social group" is still spilling into the forum.

[a completely inoffensive name]

They did that before it was closed, part of the reason why it was closed. And perhaps less ironic that your "EB social group" is still spilling into the forum.

Who said it was mine? Appo is the bartender/creator of the social group, and according to his views, I believe he views the EB Tavern as belonging to all of us.

[bovi]

I said it was yours. You're a part of it, right?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I said it was yours. You're a part of it, right?

I am a part of it yes. But it is not "ACIN's EB Tavern". Which is what it seems you are implying.

[bovi]

Your = belongs to you personally
Your = belongs to you and the relevant group being referred to

That's English for you. That's how English works, there is no difference between second person singular and multiple second person. I could do it discern between the two in Norwegian, it would be more precise but you wouldn't understand I presume you don't know Norwegian.

Did you however catch that the basic point is the spillage?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Your = belongs to you personally
Your = belongs to you and the relevant group being referred to

That's English for you. I could do it in Norwegian, it would be more precise but you wouldn't understand.

Did you however catch that the basic point is the spillage?

No, could you go over it in a less jerkish way? Maybe the Norwegian will help as well, best do both.

[bovi]

Enough of this charade, take it by PM if you have more to say.

Edit: Oh, I see now what you could take as jerkish. Fixed it.

[General Appo]

Who said it was mine? Appo is the bartender/creator of the social group, and according to his views, I believe he views the EB Tavern as belonging to all of us.

The EB Tavern is a fully charitable organisation designed to aid and help both the amazing moderators and those unfortunates who have displayed a certain tendency to sometimes engage in what is commonly refered to as "spamming".
By setting up an area in which these "spammers" can vent much of their built-up aggression in the form of harmless spam, we seek to gradually move these spammers away from the general forums, therebly "easing the burden" upon our wonderful moderators.
We also seek to gradually convince these "spammers" of their wrongdoings and help them break free of their addiction, and comes to terms with themselves. In order to accomplish this we have set up a relaxed enviroment without clear authority figures where our patients can "spam" without the familiar rush of "defying authorities", while at the same time, in a more constricted manner that previously of course, "defying the authorities" over at the normal forums, thereby gradually breaking the "spammers" free of their addiction in the same way as a smoker might gradually diminish the amount of cigarettes he smoke every week.
But of course, as it is with breaking any addiction, it is a very difficult process, and temporary setbacks are not unknown.

But overall, I feel we have been making good progress, especially as, contrary to popular belief, the amount of spamming has decidedly decreased the since the creating of our support group. And indeed, much of the spamming now carried out is conducted by people not part of our group. Of course, we always strive to "recruit" these people in order to aid them with their addiction.

I hope this has helped clear out a few things about the EB Tavern and its purpose.

Also, any further questions regarding the EB Tavern or any of its members would be best directed at me, as I am ultimately responsible for the Tavern and, if I may say so, most qualified to produce an intelligent answer.

[General Appo]

Just to add a personal note here. As of lately I myself have gradually declined in the amount of posts I produce on the EB forums.
The main reason behind this, I believe, is quite simple. After having spent quite a long time on the EB forums (almost 2 years, I frequented the forums long before I joined them) I have seen most topics pop up once, twice or twohundredsixtyseven times already, and is therefore inclined to ignore them when they pop up again.
For example, more then half of the topics on the first page right now have already popped up before, and most likely more than once, and I have already responded to these topics at least once.
The same has begun to become true for the EBII forums.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

This thread is nearing locking time.

Keep in mind that some people are about to banned from the EB fora...

[johnhughthom]

Is it really so bad people need banning? One of the things I have always liked about this forum is the relaxed moderation, sure there is some annoying spamming but it's easily ignored and usually harmless.

[Hax]

You don't understand the point.

The EB forums are made to discuss the EB mod, and possible AAR's, bug reports, questions and mini-mods. Not for your personal enjoyment. If you want to discuss off-topic stuff, go to the Frontroom.

[Subotan]

You don't understand the point.

The EB forums are made to discuss the EB mod, and possible AAR's, bug reports, questions and mini-mods. Not for your personal enjoyment. If you want to discuss off-topic stuff, go to the Frontroom.

Well, generally they are, but thread drift is in my opinion a healthy sign of a forum (So long as it stays relatively related to the topic, and not trolling.). Besides, it's hardly /b/.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Enough of this charade, take it by PM if you have more to say.

Edit: Oh, I see now what you could take as jerkish. Fixed it.

Thank you, I understand what you meant, it just seemed rude to me.

Just to add a personal note here. As of lately I myself have gradually declined in the amount of posts I produce on the EB forums.
The main reason behind this, I believe, is quite simple. After having spent quite a long time on the EB forums (almost 2 years, I frequented the forums long before I joined them) I have seen most topics pop up once, twice or twohundredsixtyseven times already, and is therefore inclined to ignore them when they pop up again.
For example, more then half of the topics on the first page right now have already popped up before, and most likely more than once, and I have already responded to these topics at least once.
The same has begun to become true for the EBII forums.

Yeah, this is the main reason of why spam is occurring more then usual, because over half the topics on the front page every day I search and find 3 exact copies, popping up 6-12 months after the last one died. Now since the last release and the transfer of the EB team to EB2, the EB1 forum has exhausted all topics multiple times, while the EB2 forum has been (with the exception of the occasional preview) just pure speculation, where every possible faction or ability within the Kingdoms engine has been hashed out over and over again. I was really liking those outside the box type of threads such as ancient partying because no one had talked about it before, but it and others were locked, like this one probably will later today. Its a shame, I blame the idiots who went too far with their comments and not the mods for that one though.

Oh also, the more interesting topics such as the now locked "fertility in EB's time" thread, essentially got closed because of idiots posting comments backed up by nothing and seemed like pure opinion more then any factual basis, (which lobf got really upset over). This happens a lot more often then is realized, such as the "Unofficial Little things we want in EB2" thread, where abou reacted the same as lobf did in the fertility thread due to a stupid comment by someone and that ended up getting locked as well (anger spawns more anger etc..).

[Hax]

Well, generally they are, but thread drift is in my opinion a healthy sign of a forum (So long as it stays relatively related to the topic, and not trolling.). Besides, it's hardly /b/.

The EB forums are part of the .org forums. They have their own off-topic forums.