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    Hamas especially must go, but the Palestinian authority in the West Bank should be dismantled as well, just for the consistency purposes. Let Egypt roll into Gaza. They used to own it, they'll know how to deal with it. Best of all, they will do their best to secure their new border with Israel.
    In the same key, the land currently under control of the FATAH in the West Bank whould be transferred to Jordan. Once again, Jordan will have every reason to make the border as secure as possible. Both Jordan and Egypt will be able to crush any possible insurrection in those territories with minimal attention and minimal outrage from the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Hamas especially must go, but the Palestinian authority in the West Bank should be dismantled as well, just for the consistency purposes. Let Egypt roll into Gaza. They used to own it, they'll know how to deal with it. Best of all, they will do their best to secure their new border with Israel.
    In the same key, the land currently under control of the FATAH in the West Bank whould be transferred to Jordan. Once again, Jordan will have every reason to make the border as secure as possible. Both Jordan and Egypt will be able to crush any possible insurrection in those territories with minimal attention and minimal outrage from the rest of the world.

    I can see where this thread is going.

    I don't think your original statement even deems a reply. You ignoring the basic fact Palestinians consider themselves their own nation. You can't just take nations away from people not in the 21st century.


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    And the surrounding states don't want them, anyway.
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    Israeli state should be disbanded. Permanently.

    The Israeli state made an intrusion in a dominantly Arab landscape. I cannot believe that the British were so naïve to think that this would not cause trouble.

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    Irony implies some humorous aspect.
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    Nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    Nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
    At which point we can harvest the glass! See folks! There is ALWAYS a silver lining!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Irony implies some humorous aspect.
    Is that statement Socratic or Dramatic?
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    I say give it back to the Italians. At least when they were there they gave them Aqueducts...
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    So you explained how you propose for this state to be destroyed... yet you haven't explained why. Please do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    I say give it back to the Italians. At least when they were there they gave them Aqueducts...
    pax romana!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    So you explained how you propose for this state to be destroyed... yet you haven't explained why. Please do so.
    Why? To achieve peace, of course. If Egypt and Jordan control the current palestinian territories, they will have both the wil and the means to keep the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Why? To achieve peace, of course. If Egypt and Jordan control the current palestinian territories, they will have both the wil and the means to keep the peace.
    Military conquest never leads to peace. If you truly think there would be no insurrection then you are delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    Is that statement Socratic or Dramatic?
    Socratic
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Military conquest never leads to peace. If you truly think there would be no insurrection then you are delusional.
    The insurrection will no longer be Israel's problem. If Hamas rockets start hitting Cairo and Amman, I seriously doubt that the Arab league would object to Egypt and Jordan crushing the insurgents like bugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Military conquest never leads to peace. If you truly think there would be no insurrection then you are delusional.
    not always. look at WWII
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    Werewolves.
    They are called lychens now. Some respect pleeeeeeasssseee
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    The insurrection will no longer be Israel's problem. If Hamas rockets start hitting Cairo and Amman, I seriously doubt that the Arab league would object to Egypt and Jordan crushing the insurgents like bugs.
    Exactly. I don't recall the Arab League protesting for a cease fire when Hamas was lauching missles into Israel before the current Gaza offensive.
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    And given the ugly way things went critical in Syria between the Palestinian refugees and Damascus in whatwasitnow, the Eighties?, Egypt and Jordania would want to grab the live and primed problem why exactly ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman View Post
    And given the ugly way things went critical in Syria between the Palestinian refugees and Damascus in whatwasitnow, the Eighties?, Egypt and Jordania would want to grab the live and primed problem why exactly ?
    Ohhh, I don't know... to help out their Arab brothers perhaps? They talk alot about Arab unity, Arab solidarity, this would be a way for them to make good on their rhetoric.
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    Ohhh, I don't know... to help out their Arab brothers perhaps? They talk alot about Arab unity,
    Why waste a perfectly good buffer state from which proxy wars can be launched? Brotherhood be darned!
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    [QUOTE=Strike For The South;2102129]

    Why waste a perfectly good buffer state from which proxy wars can be launched? Brotherhood be darned!
    I think both Egypt and Jordan already got burnt badly enough to lose the taste for those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Ohhh, I don't know... to help out their Arab brothers perhaps? They talk alot about Arab unity, Arab solidarity, this would be a way for them to make good on their rhetoric.
    You obviously failed to notice they more or less stopped giving a rat's decades ago in practice. Pretty sure that's actually one of the reason many of the hardcore Islamist movements think they're sellouts actually.

    They may make diplomatic moves and offer some economic assistance (and maybe look the other way every now and then), but you can bet your they've zero interest in having the whole problem land in their laps. The economic issues alone send any sensible regime running away as fast as they can...
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    Well first we would need to force the Israelis back to their UN defined borders and create a Palestinian state. I think Isreal ruled this out a while ago.

    As for the current state of the Palestinian nation, how those who created the Warsaw Ghetto would have admired the efforts of Israel in Gaza, though clearly they need to pick up their game in the West Bank.
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    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - W.T. Sherman

    Is that a quote from a hamas leader in your signature ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - W.T. Sherman

    Is that a quote from a hamas leader in your signature ?
    Well the man burned, raped, pillaged and destroyed a great city. He also won his conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - W.T. Sherman

    Is that a quote from a hamas leader in your signature ?
    Hey now, don't badmouth Uncle Billy, he's the father of the modern total war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Well the man burned, raped, pillaged and destroyed a great city. He also won his conflict.
    Hmm, oh how many Israeli generals this could apply to!

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    No, what we need to do is let Israel deal with its own internal problems, just like us in Ireland.

    If we'd all have just left alone years ago it'd probably all be sorted by now, with far fewer deaths.

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