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    Swarthylicious Member Spino's Avatar
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    Default Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    Warning... wall of text below! For geek eyes only!

    In August 2007 my previous gaming rig went belly up (bad stick of RAM & my Shuttle SFF case's proprietary PSU was going flunky on me) so I was forced to build a brand spanking new gaming rig months before my planned upgrade. At the time there were no good deals on medium-high end 3D cards so I opted for a XFX 8600GT 256meg model to tide me over for 8-12 months. Fast forward a year and a half and the 8600GT has served me well despite it being a budget card. However I've officially grown sick of having to tweak settings in order to get smooth framerates for certain games and I was desperate to couple what I consider to be a decent gaming system with a 3D card that will really let it stretch its legs. And to be frank, the latest generation of 3D cards left me drooling uncontrollably this past holiday season.

    Since their debut I've had my eyes on ATI's 4850 cards. They offer the best possible bang for the buck and having lived on both sides of the fence I agree with the notion that ATI cards offer superior 2D & 3D visual quality over Nvidia's offerings. However thanks to intense competition from Nvidia and the recent economic downturn (i.e. plummeting sales of electronics) high end 3D cards have never been more affordable. Suddenly 512meg 4870 cards are going for $200 or less and their 1gig brethren for under $250! My problem was regardless of whether I purchased a 4850 or 4870 I wanted one that sported an excellent custom cooler (let's face it, reference design coolers usually suck) and given my micro-ATX case one that would not dump all that hot air back inside the case. So I needed to look at a dual slot blower design. To be honest there's only one vendor that consistently produces great blower style custom coolers... HIS.

    So for $241 after rebate this 1gig 4870 behemoth now sits in my case. Here's a few side by side shots to give you an idea of its size...

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    Yes, it's a big card... a BIG card, 9.5" in length and heavy! It feels like a hefty brick of silicon, metal & plastic. So hefty in fact that it practically seated & locked itself in the PCI-ex slot without my help! If you can believe it despite its size it's still shorter than Nvidia's 260 & 280 cards by an inch or so and it actually fits comfortably in my SFF case.

    Upon booting up I immediately noticed a sharper image & clearer text than the 8600GT offered. I also noticed the 'whoosh' of the blower. It's not bad at all but it is there, especially when it revs up the rpms for 3D games, it sounds like an extra case fan or two kicking in. And according to GPU-Z the HIS ICEQ+ cooler keeps the 4870 GPU running cooler than my 8600GT, roughly 50 degrees celsius at idle, 60 degrees at full load, very very impressive.

    Fallout 3 runs like butter at 1680x1050 but with ALL the eye candy turned up, 4xAA and 16xAF enabled AND the ultra high resolution texture pack installed! I don't have Crysis or Far Cry 2 to check out but Bioshock & Company of Heroes: Opposing Forces look unbelievable now and run glassy smooth. No more notching down the graphics settings in Warhammer: Age of Reckoning during keep sieges & large skirmishes. And I can finally play Medieval 2 with maxxed eye candy, large/huge units and several armies on screen at once without it looking like a slide show... it feels like a totally different game. Pure joy.

    Only thing I miss about the 8600GT is its lower power requirements and the ease with which I can set custom AA & AF settings for each of my games via Nvidia's drivers.

    So was it worth it? Yes! With the arguable exception of my Intel E6550 I have never had an upgraded component perform so markedly superior to the one it replaced. In most cases the 4870 runs games upwards of 3-5 times faster than my 8600GT at the same resolution but with all the bells and whistles turned on, it's insane.

    So this is what I've got running under the hood. Despite it's age it's still going strong and should hold me over for a long time to come. If anything I might consider upgrading the CPU in a year's time.

    Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 overclocked to 2.80Ghz (7x multiplier w/400Mhz bus)
    Cooler Master RR-LCH-P9E1 92mm UFO CPU Cooler (excellent & quiet CPU heatsink/fan)
    HIS Hightech ICEQ4+ Turbo (H487QT1GP) Radeon HD 4870 1GB (using Catalyst 8.12 drivers)
    Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R LGA 775 Intel G33 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
    4gigs Corsair DDR2-800 XMS RAM (running @ 400Mhz w/4-4-4-12 2T timings)
    Creative X-Fi Music sound card
    Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb hard drive
    Samsung SH-S183L DVD+/-R Burner
    OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W Active PFC Power Supply (excellent PSU, only $40 after rebate! Can power latest generation of 3D cards)
    Apevia X-QPACK2-NW-BK/500 SFF (Small Form Factor) case (comes w/500W PSU that's fine so long as you don't stress it out with power hungry components)
    HP W2207 22" LCD monitor
    Last edited by Spino; 01-10-2009 at 21:49. Reason: Misread idle temps for 4870, actually 50 degrees celsius, not 40
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    Default Re: Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    I'm going to have to take a look at my case and see if could even fit that.

    Looks like it might be a smart buy for Empires, though I'll wait a bit because I just made a big purchase.

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    Default Re: Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    Nice writeup, Spino - you've got me thinking about upgrades!
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    Default Re: Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    Do you have the 4870 or the 4870 X2? If you just have the 4870, think of what the 4870 X2 can do...

    Yeah, the new mobility 4870s that were just released at the CES got me drooling.

    They have an 80% Performance Increase from the mobility 3870. Also, its specs are actually comparable to those of the desktop 4870.

    Seeing as how Nvidia is still keeping the 9800M GTX as their top end laptop GPU (which is just a Desktop 9600GT rebranded) I don't see how Nvidia can survive for much longer unless they come up with something new quickly. Their new GTX295 weren't that impressive either....
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    Default AW: Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    Well, you got me thinking about upgrading too.

    I have:

    C2D E 6320 (2 x 1,86GHz, [7 x 266 GHz]) with Intel standard cooler
    Asus P5B MOBO (Intel 965 chipset)
    3 GB RAM (DDR2-800)
    GF 8600 GT, 256 MB
    Monitor: 19 " LCD 1280 x 1024

    I figured I could buy a good CPU cooler for around 30 euros and overclock the CPU to ~ 2,5 GHz (or more?). Any advice is appreciated here, I have no experience with overclocking so far.

    Recommendations for my new cooler are also welcome. Ideally it should be easy to install and not too noisy.

    And I want a new graphics card. My choice would have been the ATI 4850. Would it make sense for me to buy a 4870? Or is my CPU to weak anyway?
    Last edited by Haudegen; 01-12-2009 at 18:54.

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    Default Re: Mine eyes have seen the glory... of the coming of the 4870

    I've been eyeing the 4850 x2 with something approaching lust. But some of the owners say they're loud, loud cards, and that's a deal-breaker for this prosimian. So then I gaze with concupiscence upon the various 4870s with alternative cooling (posters claim these cards are quieter than the stock models).

    What say you, Spino? Looks like your 4870 has the ATI stock cooling. How's the noise level?

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