How many of you have .net framework installed?

**Ferromancer** · 01-10-2009, 15:36

How many of you have the .net framework installed? I'm curious, because I've been thinking of rewriting parts of my EB for BI installation script in C#, which would mean that it would be compatible with even more mods out there. No .net framework though, and my script won't run unless you download an install it.

So... how many of you have the .net framework on your systems already?

(If you have windows vista you should already have the .net framework on your system)

**ziegenpeter** · 01-10-2009, 16:11

I don't even know what you're talking about is missing in poll. Thats my case

**Fixiwee** · 01-10-2009, 16:22

With GTA IV installed, I have framework 3.5 installed.

**AqD** · 01-10-2009, 17:08

I have 2.0 + 3.0 + 3.5... it's required for my work.

If you want to write some tool by .NET, as a developer I'd say YES. And with version 3.5 you could use script-like cool features such as implicit typing and closure.

As an end-user, I'll say

****! It's slow (take 1+ sec to start) and quite a waste of RAM if you count the framework part loaded for file cache in memory.

**Ferromancer** · 01-10-2009, 17:31

.net 3.5 has some very tasty features, but .net 2.0 has all the features I need to write parsing code to crunch through EB text files. The NSIS install script is *very* slow at parsing, so my installer takes a couple minutes on a newish machine. It's also hard to write concise parsing in NSIS.

Take the EDU for example. Currently I have to manually edit the EDU to add BI features, and the installer overwrites the existing one. This destroys any compatability with existing mods. In C# I could load the EDU into a bunch of "unit" objects, check the unit attributes and unit descriptions, and add unit abilities dynamically. This makes my installer compatible with basically any future version of EB and any mod that adds new units.

If however enough people do not have .net, it would take them a few minutes to download and install the framework, and then run the installer, so I'd have to find some other solution.

**Senshi** · 01-10-2009, 17:52

I think the .NET Framework is common standard - or at least should be. Many small and tasty freeware progs use it, and more and more classy payware stuff requires it too.

This thingy makes life so much easier for programmers, especially in the game community where games require lots of freeware tools to addon the games (e.g. like FSX, Civ4 or IL2).

But well, it also should be common standard to NOT use Internet Explorer, but nevertheless people keep using the viral explorer, though every once in a while there is another report on a giant security hole discovered...while alternatives like FF or Opera offer more in a more comfortable way with FAR less security problems, but understanding mankind is impossible :D

I highly suggest you use .NET . If people don't have it, they just should download it. Earlier or later everyone more active on computers needs it anyway. Just include some nice links and directives to the microsoft page where to get them

**Marcus Ulpius** · 01-10-2009, 18:39

Have 1.1, 2.0, 3.0 and 3.5.

**Subotan** · 01-10-2009, 19:03

Originally Posted by Ferromancer

How many of you have the .net framework installed? I'm curious, because I've been thinking of rewriting parts of my EB for BI installation script in C#, which would mean that it would be compatible with even more mods out there. No .net framework though, and my script won't run unless you download an install it.

So... how many of you have the .net framework on your systems already?

(If you have windows vista you should already have the .net framework on your system)

wat

Definition of .net framework requested please.

**Fixiwee** · 01-10-2009, 19:44

The Microsoft .NET Framework is a software technology that is available with several Microsoft Windows operating systems. It includes a large library of pre-coded solutions to common programming problems and a virtual machine that manages the execution of programs written specifically for the framework. The .NET Framework is a key Microsoft offering and is intended to be used by most new applications created for the Windows platform.

The pre-coded solutions that form the framework's Base Class Library cover a large range of programming needs in a number of areas, including user interface, data access, database connectivity, cryptography, web application development, numeric algorithms, and network communications. The class library is used by programmers, who combine it with their own code to produce applications.

Programs written for the .NET Framework execute in a software environment that manages the program's runtime requirements. Also part of the .NET Framework, this runtime environment is known as the Common Language Runtime (CLR). The CLR provides the appearance of an application virtual machine so that programmers need not consider the capabilities of the specific CPU that will execute the program. The CLR also provides other important services such as security, memory management, and exception handling. The class library and the CLR together compose the .NET Framework.

Version 3.0 of the .NET Framework is included with Windows Server 2008 and Windows Vista. The current version of the framework can also be installed on Windows XP and the Windows Server 2003 family of operating systems.[2] A reduced "Compact" version of the .NET Framework is also available on Windows Mobile platforms, including smartphones.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.net_framework

**Gazius** · 01-11-2009, 08:42

Originally Posted by Senshi

But well, it also should be common standard to NOT use Internet Explorer, but nevertheless people keep using the viral explorer, though every once in a while there is another report on a giant security hole discovered...while alternatives like FF or Opera offer more in a more comfortable way with FAR less security problems

IE6 never takes up 95% of my CPU power and 500mbs of ram when I have three pages linking to basic forums like this, and all major versions of Firefox, 1, 2, 3 have at some point. I'll take safe browsing and function over the security that is playing craps with hoping firefox works.

**LordCurlyton** · 01-11-2009, 19:21

Au contraire, for I have the exact opposite problem. Many times IE did consume a chilling amount of the RAM but upon switching to the glory of Firefox, LO! not once has the memory usage jumped beyond expected nor has there once been a catastrophic crash. Begone to IE, says I!

**Subotan** · 01-11-2009, 19:35

I wouldn't want FF to become dominant, as there would be no competition between the browsers, and no improvments would be made, rendering FF inferior. 66% would be good.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 01-11-2009, 23:10

Personally I find Firefox (3.0.5) painfully slow, not really good looking (unpolished) and its UI is buggy on top of that (radio buttons and checkboxes). Fonts don't look as good as they could either.

Internet Explorer is a little faster but its UI layout makes it look like "hey we got a cool UI, ehrm... where does the old-style toolbar go?". But it's got actually pretty helpful XSLT error messages, is slightly faster and ... actually more secure (it is better at detecting malevolent sites), though.