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[ConnMon]

lol. I'd like to ship thousands of camel riding warriors across the atlantic and suprise everybody. That would spice up history class a bit. September 8th, 1760, the Grand Ottoman Invasion of North America begins, turning the French and Indian War into a whole 'nother beast.

I wouldn't mind that.

[Fisherking]

You may want to consider landing in Mexico or California rather than on the eastern seaboard though.

Use those bonuses while you can before you get up into the woods…

[Sir Beane]

Camels and elephants would have led to some very interesting skirmishes between the colonists and the Native Americans.

I wonder how easy it will be for factions such as the Mughal or the Ottoman Empire to build specialist beast units like camels and elephants? If they can grab a colony in North America and then start churning out camelry it will be utterly rediculous.

Ideally I hope that elephants and camels can only be recruited in regions in which they live wild/have a very long history of being bred.

Camels should not be trainable in America, unless CA intend to include North America's extinct species of camel the camelops. It only died out 10,000 years ago, there could still be a few knocking around somewhere.

[Fisherking]

Camels and elephants would have led to some very interesting skirmishes between the colonists and the Native Americans.

I wonder how easy it will be for factions such as the Mughal or the Ottoman Empire to build specialist beast units like camels and elephants? If they can grab a colony in North America and then start churning out camelry it will be utterly rediculous.

Ideally I hope that elephants and camels can only be recruited in regions in which they live wild/have a very long history of being bred.

Camels should not be trainable in America, unless CA intend to include North America's extinct species of camel the camelops. It only died out 10,000 years ago, there could still be a few knocking around somewhere.

After the time frame of the game but the US Army imported camels for use in the Desert Southwest in the 1800s. Some got free and bred. They were eventually wiped out though.

Australia is a different story. I think the British Army did the same there, and they are still around.

But yes, camels and elephants once lived in North America. Some species of Camelidae
still live in South America and the horse originated there in North America, though it had to be reintroduced. Maybe the new ones weren’t as tasty as the old ones…

[pevergreen]

Australia have camels in zoos? We simply hop into the pouch of a kangaroo to get around.

[Megas Methuselah]

But you live in Martok's Camel Stables.

[Sir Beane]

Apparently Martok keeps the odd kangaroo as well. A man often craves something exotic after a hard day of work.

We shouldn't judge him.

[Jason X]

I wonder how easy it will be for factions such as the Mughal or the Ottoman Empire to build specialist beast units like camels and elephants? If they can grab a colony in North America and then start churning out camelry it will be utterly rediculous.

Ideally I hope that elephants and camels can only be recruited in regions in which they live wild/have a very long history of being bred.

this line of argument is fallacious. why is it any different to the availability of horses to factions in america? after all - horses were introduced by european colonists...

[Sir Beane]

this line of argument is fallacious. why is it any different to the availability of horses to factions in america? after all - horses were introduced by european colonists...

Mostly because horses are much more widely available than either camels or elephants. Not to mention much easier to train and breed. Plus the fact that horses had been around in the Americas since Christopher Columbus introduced them in 1493. Thats 200 years of breeding, enough for feral populations such as Mustang to spring up. Horses in America may well have been a problem if the game was set two centuries earlier, but in 1700 they were pretty much everywhere. Camels and elephants were not, however.

[Jason X]

elephants take a long time to breed, so you might have a point there, but the historical australian example of camels (wild camel population from zero to a million in about 50 years) shows that there's no reason to restrict them.

[Sir Beane]

elephants take a long time to breed, so you might have a point there, but the historical australian example of camels (wild camel population from zero to a million in about 50 years) shows that there's no reason to restrict them.

If the game supports dynamic resources then camels could become available after ten or so years of Ottoman occupation, to simulate breeding colonies developing.