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Thread: about the pike units in M2
yeah so I got Kingdoms for christmas and Ive gotta say its pretty durned fun, I dont mind the gross historical inaccuracy at all, but one thing bugs me more than anything: the ineffectivness (actually, more like the crappiness) of the pike units in M2. 
They are HORRIBLE! They dont do anything with their pikes, they kinda hold them out and dont even attempt to kill the enemy until they get close enough for the pikemen to use their shortswords. Is the EB team gonna fix this?
They are HORRIBLE! They dont do anything with their pikes, they kinda hold them out and dont even attempt to kill the enemy until they get close enough for the pikemen to use their shortswords. Is the EB team gonna fix this?I believe they already have:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGff-muPIis
Of course, I'm sure they'll still be polishing up the animations, but it is much better than the M2TW "phalanx".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGff-muPIis
Of course, I'm sure they'll still be polishing up the animations, but it is much better than the M2TW "phalanx".
Part of M2TW's pike problem is the animation, which EBII has/will remake.
Try out "Broken Crescent" and see what they did with the pike formation. They completely reworked it.
Try out "Broken Crescent" and see what they did with the pike formation. They completely reworked it.
People early early on in M2TW history did stuff that made Pikemen useful.
Edit, that was good for the medieval period, not the classical period.
Edit, that was good for the medieval period, not the classical period.
Personally, I just took out the secondary weapon. The pike units are now somewhat... OP'd.
I've seen that done. They are very scary then.
BC had the pike be the secondary weapon. Even with their pathetic total defense of 1, the ERE pikemen will wreck your shit if you attack from the front.
BC had the pike be the secondary weapon. Even with their pathetic total defense of 1, the ERE pikemen will wreck your shit if you attack from the front.
Yes, but in a 10:1 scale conversion, that would actually be 10 shots.
I've always got the impression that artillery isn't really scaled the same as the units though.
Another thing I dislike is that the best X-bowmen are better than the best English Archers for that was not really the case. English Archers ruled the battlefield (as long as the French kindly obliged them and attacked into their field of fire, stakes and rough ground).
Agincourt was more due to the French knights being higher ranking than their commander and going off in wild charges into the mud or their allies than any particular effectiveness of the English Longbowmen though. Granted the Longbowmen were skilled but crossbows were better against armour, despite having a much longer reload time.
Well, The pike problem is finished long time ago with some animation fixes made by (I forgot...) it does wonders with pikemen.. now pikemen is the most awesome front line unit, but I believe that pike formation and phalanx formation is still diffrent a bit.
I'll just want to ask, if we put the Swiss pikemen against Alexander's Pezhetairoi in equal battle, face to face, with same length pointy sticks, who will win? any suggestion? I'll just want to see who's using their pointy sticks more effectively...
I'll just want to ask, if we put the Swiss pikemen against Alexander's Pezhetairoi in equal battle, face to face, with same length pointy sticks, who will win? any suggestion? I'll just want to see who's using their pointy sticks more effectively...
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