Your favourite historical personality

[Dodge_272]

Who's your favourite person, from throughout the history of the world, and why?

[Jolt]

Zhuge Liang. The only one who reaches near him is Alexander, and all others below them are very far away. While Alexander was an incredibly successful general, I find Zhuge Liang incredibly more complete. He dominated the Art of War, crushed his enemies numerous times against the odds, was a through diplomat, an inventor, a philosopher, an orator. A master of warfare, politics and astrology. He was brilliant in every way. Noone can match him, noone can reach him.

[Strike For The South]

Andrew Jackson. The epitome of America

[Wishazu]

Hannibal Barca. He may not have been up there with Alexander for Grand Strategy but in my humble opinion the best tactical general that has ever lived. Unfortunately, Hannibal the man is somewhat of a mystery as the only information we have of him comes from his enemies, the Romans.

[Fisherking]

Andrew Jackson. The epitome of America

Let’s debate this one. I know he is your choice and you are welcome to it, but Old Hickory was not exactly a role model for American Youth!

He was vengeful, conniving, underhanded, & brutal! And those could be said to be his good points.

His political excesses were legendary. It was by his urging that the Indian Removal Act was passed and the few good things we think of him doing were all out of selfish motivation…

Are you sure you don’t like Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson just a bit more?

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Let’s debate this one. I know he is your choice and you are welcome to it, but Old Hickory was not exactly a role model for American Youth!

He was vengeful, conniving, underhanded, & brutal! And those could be said to be his good points.

His political excesses were legendary. It was by his urging that the Indian Removal Act was passed and the few good things we think of him doing were all out of selfish motivation…

Are you sure you don’t like Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson just a bit more?

Or Teddy, I mean the man gave a speech after getting shot without any medical attention!

Course Jackson did wait for a man to shoot at a duel, get shot, and then shoot the man dead though his gun malfunctioned on his first pull of the trigger and he had to squeeze it again...

[Conqueror]

Socrates.

[Fisherking]

Or Teddy, I mean the man gave a speech after getting shot without any medical attention!

Course Jackson did wait for a man to shoot at a duel, get shot, and then shoot the man dead though his gun malfunctioned on his first pull of the trigger and he had to squeeze it again...

I only thought that perhaps Lone Stare or Perl had confused him into thinking Andy was Tom…

Strike may not find Teddy as appealing but instead of Andy Jackson I could offer up another Tennessean, ol’ Sam Huston might not be as bad a choice, though the both of them likely owe more to Tennessee Whisky than Tennessee Breeding.

[Veho Nex]

Custer, the guy was funny, and he was a good leader(though a little arrogant at somepoints *cough* battle of little *cough* bighorn*cough*)

[Strike For The South]

Let’s debate this one. I know he is your choice and you are welcome to it, but Old Hickory was not exactly a role model for American Youth!

He was vengeful, conniving, underhanded, & brutal! And those could be said to be his good points.

His political excesses were legendary. It was by his urging that the Indian Removal Act was passed and the few good things we think of him doing were all out of selfish motivation…

Are you sure you don’t like Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson just a bit more?

I mean Andrew Jackson. The man ushered in universal suffrage he was the first "president of the people" He was an arrogant person but such was the nature of early presidents. Adams Jefferson and Adams Jr. were all more wrapped up in themselves more so than Jackson.

He fought his whole life for the ideal of an America were everyone had a voice. I also like a man who walked the walk as it were he wasn't afirad to back down from a fight and all good leaders need to be able to stand there ground. He also was very principled, stuck to his guns I can respect that.

He also was a loving caring gentleman who adopted an Indian boy. The man came from nothing into everything due to his sheer will.

My heros in American history are not guys like Washington or Hamilton or even FDR. I like guys like Jackson or Patton. Men who instead of finding ways around the wall in front of them went right through it.

Stonewall was a very good general (maybe better than Lee) but not much more.

[Fisherking]

I mean Andrew Jackson. The man ushered in universal suffrage he was the first "president of the people" He was an arrogant person but such was the nature of early presidents. Adams Jefferson and Adams Jr. were all more wrapped up in themselves more so than Jackson.

He fought his whole life for the ideal of an America were everyone had a voice. I also like a man who walked the walk as it were he wasn't afirad to back down from a fight and all good leaders need to be able to stand there ground. He also was very principled, stuck to his guns I can respect that.

He also was a loving caring gentleman who adopted an Indian boy. The man came from nothing into everything due to his sheer will.

My heros in American history are not guys like Washington or Hamilton or even FDR. I like guys like Jackson or Patton. Men who instead of finding ways around the wall in front of them went right through it.

Stonewall was a very good general (maybe better than Lee) but not much more.

If your reasons are good enough for you, then they are good enough for me.

When we speak of Humans, we all have flaws and some just need to be overlooked at times.

Informed choice was all I was after.

[Mooks]

Andrew Jackson. The epitome of America

All I think of that man when I hear the name is the Indian Removal act (Not that I dont know his other history, not in-depth though). Forcing native americans to go from their ancestral homelands to Oklahoma. All the while doing it in nazi fashion, being overly cruel on the long march there.

Oklahoma, you ever been there? I grew up there. Not a fun place to be.

[Strike For The South]

All I think of that man when I hear the name is the Indian Removal act (Not that I dont know his other history, not in-depth though). Forcing native americans to go from their ancestral homelands to Oklahoma. All the while doing it in nazi fashion, being overly cruel on the long march there.

Oklahoma, you ever been there? I grew up there. Not a fun place to be.

I never said the man was perfect but what he did for voters and the democratic process outweighs what he did to the Indians.

I have never been to Oklahoma but with good reason, I'm from Texas.

[Sarmatian]

Is that the same guy that used to be a general and commanded American army at New Orleans in the war with UK?

[Lord Winter]

I never said the man was perfect but what he did for voters and the democratic process outweighs what he did to the Indians.

I have never been to Oklahoma but with good reason, I'm from Texas.

You mean like ignoring the supreme court, his handling of the nulification crisis and the spoils system?

[Quintus.JC]

Zhuge Liang. The only one who reaches near him is Alexander, and all others below them are very far away. While Alexander was an incredibly successful general, I find Zhuge Liang incredibly more complete. He dominated the Art of War, crushed his enemies numerous times against the odds, was a through diplomat, an inventor, a philosopher, an orator. A master of warfare, politics and astrology. He was brilliant in every way. Noone can match him, noone can reach him.

Zhuge Liang's abilities was highly exaggerated in the novel, but everything you said about him was true to some extend, the guy was quite a poet as well. I would like to nominate Kangxi Emperor of China, possibly one of the greatest ruler the world has known.

[Jolt]

Zhuge Liang's abilities was highly exaggerated in the novel, but everything you said about him was true to some extend, the guy was quite a poet as well. I would like to nominate Kangxi Emperor of China, possibly one of the greatest ruler the world has known.

I base myself on not solely on the Romance. Thus why I linked to his "historical" biography, not the Romance one. I also read his Art of War, which in my opinion, is quite superior to that of Sun Tzu.

I certainly, do not believe he called the South-East winds. >_>

That was just a lucky Zhou Yu, knowing a fisherman who was his friend and the fisherman told him the South-East winds would arrive in a number of days.

[Mooks]

Julius Caesar. The man was a living god.

[CountArach]

Emperor Napoleon I. Few other people have had an entire period of human history named after them.

[Quintus.JC]

I base myself on not solely on the Romance. Thus why I linked to his "historical" biography, not the Romance one. I also read his Art of War, which in my opinion, is quite superior to that of Sun Tzu.

I certainly, do not believe he called the South-East winds. >_>

That was just a lucky Zhou Yu, knowing a fisherman who was his friend and the fisherman told him the South-East winds would arrive in a number of days.

I don't even know how he got the winds, wasn't he supposed to be really good at astrology and deduced that the wind was going to come, like a human weather machine or something like that? Or was it really the fisherman.

[Jolt]

It was really a fisherman. He told Zhou Yu that there would be the South-Eastern winds at a certain day. Zhuge Liang, had nothing to do with the event. Same goes for the recieving arrows incident. That was Sun Quan's orders to attack during the fog.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Shakespeare...he was so full of wit!

[Ibrahim]

I'd have to say Khalid ibn al-waleed. need I say more?

[Romanus]

Willem III, Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and the generaliteit. King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland. Champion of Protestant europe and arch enemy of his most christian majesty Louis XIV.

[scipiosgoblin]

I have two. Both for the same reason.

Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

Lord Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington.

Both because they beat the "BEST" Generals of their time. Hannibal for Scipio and Napoleon for Wellington. Both are overshadowed and forgotten by the men they defeated.

The average person probably couldn't tell you who Hannibal was these days, but for those who can, the majority couldn't tell you who defeated him.

If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.

[Conradus]

I have two. Both for the same reason.

Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

Lord Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington.

Both because they beat the "BEST" Generals of their time. Hannibal for Scipio and Napoleon for Wellington. Both are overshadowed and forgotten by the men they defeated.

The average person probably couldn't tell you who Hannibal was these days, but for those who can, the majority couldn't tell you who defeated him.

If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.

Scipio might be less know, but surely Wellington is remembered? Especially the Brits'll know him, and even him a larger role than he actually deserves for Waterloo.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am going to be boring and simply name Napoleon. The hammer of progress. The man who put a bayonet on the Enlightenment. What is there not to love and hate about him?

If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.

I'd say that is because Wellington wasn't all that important. In fact, neither was Waterloo. Napoleon had been decisively and irreversibly defeated before the Hundred Days, well before Wellington dared to ride out openly against Napoleon.
Russia, Leipzig, the Russian winter, the tactic of avoiding open battle with Napoleon and instead engaging his marshalls, a war of attrition. These defeated Napoleon at last.

Napoleon's short return from exile culminating in Waterloo was not important. It did serve to offer Wellington and Britain at last an opportunity to get a shot in too. Like a matador who hides backstage, waits for the bull to be defeated, and upon seeing the dying bull reaching up his head for a last gasp of air, quickly runs into the arena to stick his sword in and then claims glorious victory.

Jean Meslier: the first one who dared writing "there is nothing like a God". And he was a priest, mind you...

And La Mettrie, surgeon and philosopher:

Great choices! I love the combination of the two.

Et des boyaux du dernier prêtre serrons le cou du dernier roi...

[KarlXII]

Champion of Protestant europe.

That can be disputed with Gustavus Adolphus, King of Sweden, Lion of the North, and leader of the Protestant cause in the Thirty Years War before meeting his end in battle.

[Beirut]

Hard to nail it down to just one.

Henry V (Nasty little SOB that he was.)
T.E. Lawrence
Scipio

[Fragony]

That can be disputed with Gustavus Adolphus, King of Sweden, Lion of the North, and leader of the Protestant cause in the Thirty Years War before meeting his end in battle.

Overrated, he may have perfected volley-tactics but in the end every battle was won because of superior numbers.