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    Shakespeare...he was so full of wit!

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    I'd have to say Khalid ibn al-waleed. need I say more?
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    Willem III, Stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and the generaliteit. King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland. Champion of Protestant europe and arch enemy of his most christian majesty Louis XIV.
    One of the episcopal clergymen who attended him went to the edge of the scaffold, and called out in a loud voice, "My lord dies a Protestant." "Yes,"
    said the Earl, stepping forward, "and not only a protestant, but with a heart hatred of Popery, of Prelacy, and of all superstition." He then embraced
    his friends, put into their hands some tokens of remembrance for his wife and children, kneeled down, laid his head on the block, prayed during a
    few minutes, and gave the signal to the executioner.
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    I have two. Both for the same reason.

    Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

    Lord Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington.

    Both because they beat the "BEST" Generals of their time. Hannibal for Scipio and Napoleon for Wellington. Both are overshadowed and forgotten by the men they defeated.

    The average person probably couldn't tell you who Hannibal was these days, but for those who can, the majority couldn't tell you who defeated him.

    If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scipiosgoblin View Post
    I have two. Both for the same reason.

    Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

    Lord Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington.

    Both because they beat the "BEST" Generals of their time. Hannibal for Scipio and Napoleon for Wellington. Both are overshadowed and forgotten by the men they defeated.

    The average person probably couldn't tell you who Hannibal was these days, but for those who can, the majority couldn't tell you who defeated him.

    If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.
    Scipio might be less know, but surely Wellington is remembered? Especially the Brits'll know him, and even him a larger role than he actually deserves for Waterloo.

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    I am going to be boring and simply name Napoleon. The hammer of progress. The man who put a bayonet on the Enlightenment. What is there not to love and hate about him?


    Quote Originally Posted by scipiosgoblin View Post
    If you go to Waterloo, it looks like a shrine dedicated to Napoleon. Wellington is barely mentioned in any of the monuments or literature.
    I'd say that is because Wellington wasn't all that important. In fact, neither was Waterloo. Napoleon had been decisively and irreversibly defeated before the Hundred Days, well before Wellington dared to ride out openly against Napoleon.
    Russia, Leipzig, the Russian winter, the tactic of avoiding open battle with Napoleon and instead engaging his marshalls, a war of attrition. These defeated Napoleon at last.

    Napoleon's short return from exile culminating in Waterloo was not important. It did serve to offer Wellington and Britain at last an opportunity to get a shot in too. Like a matador who hides backstage, waits for the bull to be defeated, and upon seeing the dying bull reaching up his head for a last gasp of air, quickly runs into the arena to stick his sword in and then claims glorious victory.


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    Jean Meslier: the first one who dared writing "there is nothing like a God". And he was a priest, mind you...

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    Great choices! I love the combination of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I am going to be boring and simply name Napoleon. The hammer of progress. The man who put a bayonet on the Enlightenment. What is there not to love and hate about him?


    I'd say that is because Wellington wasn't all that important. In fact, neither was Waterloo. Napoleon had been decisively and irreversibly defeated before the Hundred Days, well before Wellington dared to ride out openly against Napoleon.
    Russia, Leipzig, the Russian winter, the tactic of avoiding open battle with Napoleon and instead engaging his marshalls, a war of attrition. These defeated Napoleon at last.

    Napoleon's short return from exile culminating in Waterloo was not important. It did serve to offer Wellington and Britain at last an opportunity to get a shot in too. Like a matador who hides backstage, waits for the bull to be defeated, and upon seeing the dying bull reaching up his head for a last gasp of air, quickly runs into the arena to stick his sword in and then claims glorious victory.


    Great choices! I love the combination of the two.

    Et des boyaux du dernier prêtre serrons le cou du dernier roi...
    About Britain, well, you miss Spain + the British gold for the continental enemies of Napoleon.

    Mine favourite is Tokugawa Ieasy, the last of the three unifiers of Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanus View Post
    Champion of Protestant europe.
    That can be disputed with Gustavus Adolphus, King of Sweden, Lion of the North, and leader of the Protestant cause in the Thirty Years War before meeting his end in battle.
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    Hard to nail it down to just one.

    Henry V (Nasty little SOB that he was.)
    T.E. Lawrence
    Scipio
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarlXII View Post
    That can be disputed with Gustavus Adolphus, King of Sweden, Lion of the North, and leader of the Protestant cause in the Thirty Years War before meeting his end in battle.
    Overrated, he may have perfected volley-tactics but in the end every battle was won because of superior numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Overrated, he may have perfected volley-tactics but in the end every battle was won because of superior numbers.
    Oh no you di-int! You better have your sources ready because he's about to come down on you hard!

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    HA to make it even worse, the volley tactics the Swedes pride themselves on isn't Swedish, they adapted the Dutch tactics against the French, the only difference is that Gustav Adolf used a forward rotation instead of a backward (and didn't have to fight superior numbers)

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