Omnia enim plerumque quae absunt vehementius hominum mentes perturbant.
For generally all evils which are distant most powerfully alarm men's minds.
Gaius Julius Caesar
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.
John Lennon
*yawn*
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
There are roughly 1200 confirmed kills(but this will undoubtedly rise). Roughly 400 of those are children alone. Then add in the women. Then add in the old people. Then add in the civilian male population. That doesn't leave many left for Hamas fighters, now does it?
And as an added bonus, how many thousands new recruits do you think they'll get because of this? Win-win for Hamas. A resounding defeat for Israel and the palestinian people.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Firstly, them being children does not necessarily mean that they were not Hamas fighters. Secondly, Hamas militant deaths have been estimated as between four hundred and six hundred and fifty, plus another hundred and fifty-odd police officers - which is probably a pretty good job by Israel considering the closeness with which Hamas operates around civilians.
Hard to know how many children 'are' fighters, and how many are forced/told to do things, as with child soldiers in Africa etc. --> there will certainly be many more as they grow older, having seen what Israel did...
Estimated by who? --> there is not really any way of knowing how many Hamas fighters have died/ how many there were in the first place, certainly very few of the highest ranking Hamas officicals have been killed, and how many non-Hamas terrorists are still aroundHamas militant deaths have been estimated as between four hundred and six hundred and fifty, plus another hundred and fifty-odd police officers - which is probably a pretty good job by Israel
its not the civilians fault that Hamas happen to operate near to them...considering the closeness with which Hamas operates around civilians.
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Well done Mars , you just justified dozens of bombings in Israel .![]()
Uhm.... 500 dead fighters? That's a good number? Do you know how many will take up arms because of this? It's ridiculous to think that number will be counted in hundreds, it will at least be in the thousands.
And then you have the 70.000 who want to take up arms in Iran alone because of this...
No, there's no denying that this is a resounding long-term defeat by Israel. Thousands of people around the world want to take up arms against them, and they've alienated their allies even more. The only thing Israel has won by this is more enemies.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
We are reaching new moral lows here... This is unexplored territory...The justification of killing children because some might have been forced to fight for terrorists.
...I bet some of the Jewish people in Nazi concentration camps were criminals too. Hell, some of the kids there might have stolen things or engaged in criminal activity...
...Dont lose your soul trying to justify things mate.
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For this to end; there needs to be around 20 years of sustained peace. Countless, pointless and un-winnable wars does nothing for each side. The countless endless cycles of threats and counter threats; violence and counter-violence is not furthering the people on either side of the conflict. Only time and a sense of progress will temper the extremes on both sides. the middle ground must feel they have something gained for their struggle to be moderate.
Both sides need to give the sticks a rest and try the carrot...
edit: on a side note i thought the title was going to be Two ceasefires ...one cup.
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The true test of a man is not at his great moment, but at his weakest point. -me
Firstly, some civilians even volunteer to be used this way. Secondly, in the modern age, using a human shield doesn't necessarily mean walking behind them - it can mean hiding weapons or fighters in their basements or schools, or firing from the middle of crowds or from among apartment buildings which are full, videos of which I have shown.
If someone is shooting at you, you shoot back. And since you have already violated Godwin's Law, allow me to use the example of underage children in the Volkssturm. The Soviets, in my opinion, had every right to shoot at them. You obviously disagree.
That relates? Care to make a logical explanation as to how?...I bet some of the Jewish people in Nazi concentration camps were criminals too. Hell, some of the kids there might have stolen things or engaged in criminal activity...
That is still five hundred dead Hamas militants, and the fact is that they're dead. They may be replaced, but they're not getting up.
Isn't that what people say after every war Israel is involved in? But really, I think it is quite naive to believe that Israel will just sit there through so many bombardments. Did they go too far? Perhaps. Do I blame them? Not in the slightest.Do you know how many will take up arms because of this? It's ridiculous to think that number will be counted in hundreds, it will at least be in the thousands.
...you completely missed the point. Then again, a lot of others probably did as well, so perhaps that was my fault.Originally Posted by Tribesman
Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 01-19-2009 at 16:49.
At the end of the day, it all boils down to who supports a two-state solution and who does not. Hamas does not support a two-state solution, never has and never will. They would rather die themselves then allow the Israelis to live there. Note the use of the term Hamas, not Palestinian. Israel does not do itself any service by continuing to conflate the two, nor does the U.S.
We need to provide viable alternatives to the Palestian people. Be it Fatah or other leadership within the Palestinian community, we have to find a way to get the Palestinians to choose leadership other than Hamas.
Has anybody ever seen any numbers on the number of Palestinians that would accept a two-state solution? Is there a political will to be sought? At the end of the day, if Palestinians would rather die killing Israelis then live alongside them, we're all in a holding pattern.
As for the issues that have always been the last 5%, rather than trying to split hairs, why don't they give one hair to one side and one hair to the other? Why not allow for Right of Return, but Jerusalem stays as part of Israel?
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Of course I shall disavow that , unless you also mention that it is taken from Islamic scripture and both Jewish and Christian scripture also say the same about people who follow the wrong faith at the end of times (or mormons and scientologists for that matter) .I've posted articles before that Tribesman will disavow, but they come from the founding charters of Hizbollah and Hamas. They don't just deny the right of Israel as a nation to exist, they deny the right of non-muslims as individual people to exist
Actually they havn't Don ,they have shown that they will pull out of settlements if they are too expensive to maintain .That being said, Israel has proven repeatedly that given the right motivational prompting, they'll have them down in months if not weeks.
Now there might be some motivational prompting that can be applied , like taking away all grants dollar for dollar your government gives Israel for every dollar Israel spends on the illegal settlements . Also you could put a blanket ban on the "charity" drives you have over in the US where people can make Aliyah by proxy by funding the illegal settlemants (or in the case of the nuttier christians give money to recreate Israel so they can become Christians at the end of the world).
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