Two ceasefires ...

**Fragony** · 01-20-2009, 02:16

Originally Posted by Tribesman

the wrong faith at the end of times (or mormons and scientologists for that matter) .

Not that much in a hurry these christians and jews. Classical islamphilist response by the way, do not forget to mention that christians once burned witches.

**Tribesman** · 01-20-2009, 03:29

Not that much in a hurry these christians and jews.

Really ?
Do you remember a certain poster here from London whose little signature called for the "end of time now !!!!!!!" ?
Which religion was he ?
Have you read any of the christian zionist stuff ?
How about those radical fundamentalists who want to (and attempted to ) rebuild the temple to bring the rapture ?
Then you have the fruitcakes like Koresh who wanted lots of guns for the upcoming armageddon .
How about Palins old pastor who was preparing for the imminent hordes who would flee to Alaska for salvation , not to mention all the kooks during the election claiming Obama was from the book of revelation though they were really funny as they must have some really strange translation of scripture to be "quoting" what they quoted ?
(the funniest of those biblical "quotes" must have been the one from down Georgia way who said that Rev:13 says "an olive skinned Muslim from Asia will rise to power in America and he is the antichrist")

So Frag , you have obviously had your head in the sand and when you say ...

Classical islamphilist response by the way

...as it actually demonstrates your usual islamophobia which you cherish so much .

breaking limbs with rocks?

Be fair Bopa , after lots of complaints and getting caught on camera the government did tell its army to tell its soldiers that they shouldn't go round breaking childrens arms with rocks and rifle butts anymore .

**Fragony** · 01-20-2009, 04:00

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Really ?
Do you remember a certain poster here from London whose little signature called for the "end of time now !!!!!!!" ?
Which religion was he ?
Have you read any of the christian zionist stuff ?
How about those radical fundamentalists who want to (and attempted to ) rebuild the temple to bring the rapture ?
Then you have the fruitcakes like Koresh who wanted lots of guns for the upcoming armageddon .
How about Palins old pastor who was preparing for the imminent hordes who would flee to Alaska for salvation , not to mention all the kooks during the election claiming Obama was from the book of revelation though they were really funny as they must have some really strange translation of scripture to be "quoting" what they quoted ?
(the funniest of those biblical "quotes" must have been the one from down Georgia way who said that Rev:13 says "an olive skinned Muslim from Asia will rise to power in America and he is the antichrist")

So Frag , you have obviously had your head in the sand and when you say ...

...as it actually demonstrates your usual islamophobia which you cherish so much .

Think what you want, I only care about what you do. That tiny difference between being silly and being nuts. If it is what it is then it is simply that. Look at what you have to bring up, how deep you actually dig to justify Hamas, and for what they want to kill an entire nation and it's people, now who is deluded.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 01-20-2009, 04:27

The American fundamentalists want to destroy Israel as well, they just want to build it up first. At least Hamas talk a remotely straight game.

Those US Evangelicals are awaiting the rapture and as far as they are concerned Scotty isn't going to be beaming up a single Jew.

It's interesting about beliefs like those held by the Isaelis and Palastinians. To be honest I don't believe the Israeli people believe in a two=state solution, the Biblical Kingdom of Israel was four times the size of the current country. The Israelis might be willing to accept temporary defeat in return for long term completion of their ultimate goal.

Having said that the Palastinians are no better, though they arguably have far more right to be very very angry.

**LittleGrizzly** · 01-20-2009, 06:49

I wonder just how many more victorys like this Israel can afford ?

Im not sure about palestinians will for the two state solution but i see the real problem lying with israeli civilians, i mean if they give the palestinians water it means less water for them, if they give the palestinians land it means less land for them, why give all this up when you can continue to discredit any peace deals or talks as the enemy are far too evil to deal with. Simply put i believe israeli's would rather kill and be killed than give up the thier advantages.

**Incongruous** · 01-20-2009, 07:06

Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

I wonder just how many more victorys like this Israel can afford ?

Im not sure about palestinians will for the two state solution but i see the real problem lying with israeli civilians, i mean if they give the palestinians water it means less water for them, if they give the palestinians land it means less land for them, why give all this up when you can continue to discredit any peace deals or talks as the enemy are far too evil to deal with. Simply put i believe israeli's would rather kill and be killed than give up the thier advantages.

I disagree, the Israelis are the victims of powerful and consistent propoganda to intensify an already dangerous situation. I doubt I would be break from such tappestries of lies, I would probably go on living and breathing ignorance. What Israelis and the West require, is decent men walking the halls of power, there are plenty of them in Israel. I know some who came to my university last year, they were men who had the courage to criticize their own people, for me that would be hard, for Jew it would be torture. But they did it and they have proven that Israelis can, if they try hard enough, come to decent resolutions about the Palestinians.
They mirror many Palestinians...

**Fragony** · 01-20-2009, 10:13

The courage to sing the hyms of the leftist church? There is nothing brave about attacking Israel it's the salonsocialist consensus.

**Pannonian** · 01-20-2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Having said that the Palastinians are no better, though they arguably have far more right to be very very angry.

Ceasefire or no ceasefire, both sides are making war on each other. The Palestinians are doing so with exceedingly unwise PR though, by trying to blow Israelis up. The Israelis, OTOH, are doing so more insidiously, by taking Palestinian land. Ironically, historically, killing another kingdom's people could be papered over, with some suitable compensation and sweet talking, but landgrabbing was seen as a far more serious casus belli.

**Fragony** · 01-20-2009, 18:14

Originally Posted by Pannonian

Ceasefire or no ceasefire, both sides are making war on each other. The Palestinians are doing so with exceedingly unwise PR though, by trying to blow Israelis up.

Oh? That unwise? Nobody gives a crap about blown up Israeli's 'they had it comming because they [insert accusation here]'. It's what is behind this conflict that is winning the propaganda-war, look at all the hugs and kisses these

get.

**Pannonian** · 01-20-2009, 18:37

Originally Posted by Fragony

Oh? That unwise? Nobody gives a crap about blown up Israeli's 'they had it comming because they [insert accusation here]'. It's what is behind this conflict that is winning the propaganda-war, look at all the hugs and kisses these

get.

That's part of the blowing up Israelis bit, in that their method of pursuing the war is geared towards blowing up Israelis, while the Israeli method of pursuing the war is to annex more Palestinian land.