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[Megalos Danielos Psychopatos]

Hello All,

I have ther simple questions:

1) TAB is incredibly tough unit, its AS elite- best of the best; historically they should have javelins, spears and swords. In game-becouse of its mechanic-they only have javelins and spears; EB team has decided that this will be the best.OK. BUT becouse of this they aren't so good in melee with infantry; they can massacre cavalry and survive incredible big damage, but they aren't so good in killing infantry. If tehy would have swords it would be better. I thin if it will be good, If I will increase their lethality from 0.125 to 0.165 ( probably highest lethality for spear in game) for better performance in fight against infantry would it be...lets say...Ok?
2) Cordinau Orca, elite celtic mercenary swordsmen; I have same problem with them...most celtic swordmen have lethality 0.225 (even those...simplest) and almost no armor. CO are elite, they have good quality armor and at least same swors as otehr celtic swordsmen...so why they have lethality only 0.12??? ...I have decided to change that on 0.225...what do U think about it?
3) Ho can I recruit hypaspistai as a Epeiros?? I have Pella, I type gov, highest lvl barracs, I can recruit peltastai makedonikoi but no hypaspistai, why??


Thanks for help, and sorry for my poor english.

[Mediolanicus]

1) RTW units can only have 2 weapons. The reason why the TAB have javelin and spear is most likely because that were historically their main weapons. The sword would have been used as back up weapon or for close combat.
Spear + sword units in RTW don't tend to work properly either btw. They only charge with spear and then change to swords.
If you want to change the lethality go ahead... It's your EB, do what you want. The TAB are already as you say an incredibly tough unit so IMHO I don't see any reason to make it tougher.
2) Most Celtic warriors use longswords, those have higher lethality. The Cordinau Orca use shorter swords I thought...
I could be wrong though. Someone else can answer this question better probably.
Again change whatever you like, but again IMHO that unit is already a very strong unit...
3) No idea, RV says it should be possible.

[Megas Methuselah]

You should be able to recruit those hypaspitai. That's kind of odd. Maybe it's a bug of some sort?

On a lighter note, I beat Aemilius Paulus' post.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, like Mediolanicus commented on modding TABs, you can mod the Cordinau Orcas, but that would be an overkill. They are already the best sword infantry unit in the game (IMHO), so giving them higher lethality would be too much. I guess you could call it game balance. Then again, the Cordinaus really do not have the same swords as the other Celts if you have noticed. Their swords are smaller, but curved. The other Celts have giant, straight, slashing, broadswords which should have more lethality. But in truth, the slashing swords, although fearsome, were not as effective as say the gladius or xiphos. In the incredibly confined spaces the soldiers have to face when fighting, trying to swing a bulky and heavy sword is the last thing you want to do. It tires you greatly, and plus you expose your body when you make that slashing stroke.

To tell you the truth, I do not see why the EB team made them so great. So do you know how to mod lethality? Or do you need to find that out? I can help you if you wish, although you seem like you know what you're doing.

Oh, and your English is great. I recommend Firefox if you do not have it yet, as it has a built-in spellchecker.

[Megalos Danielos Psychopatos]

Ok guys, U have convinced me, I will not change TAB's and Orcas' attributes, great thanks for help!

Problem with Hypaspistai is solved now, it was my fault ( I erased accidentally one letter when "working" at unit_decr.txt) ...sorry for annoying U.

[Watchman]

Think of the TABs as "super-Thorakitai" - nigh impossible to kill, and even more skilled fighters. It would seem to me their fighting prowess relies more on the ability to just push and grind through enemy formations than straight-off killing power, not that they're exactly shabby in that either (0.13 is more or less the overall infantry average lethality, since that's what all the spears and most swords have).

The Cordinau Orca, as Aemilius observed, do indeed have a different sword than most Celtic swordsmen. It's apparently some kind of "proto-sabre" that was popular in the region at the time - the Prodromoi Thrakioi also use it - and uses a different stat-set than the longsword. (+2 attack skill and 0.12 lethality to the longsword's +/-0 attack and 0.225 lethality, to be exact.) I don't actually know much more about it, although now that you remind me I've long been curious about that device - to my knowledge true curved sabres first appeared among the horse nomads of the Pontic steppe around the 6th-7th centuy AD, so even a "proto" type here is quite interesting.