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    But it's a good thing regardless, this is truly amazing, America I salute you no way this could happen in any European country, tough but fair
    Is that because Europe doesn't have such large numbers or concentrations of them and doesn't have countries with the electoral system that America has ?

    As for the inauguration itself....hasn't Aretha got old .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Is that because Europe doesn't have such large numbers or concentrations of them and doesn't have countries with the electoral system that America has ?

    As for the inauguration itself....hasn't Aretha got old .

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    I watched it all on TV over here after I finished work. Maybe it`s just because I`m not American but I was quite bored. Anyways, hopefully he`ll do a good job for you lot.
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    Change?
    http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../01/61651854/1

    "help us work for that day when black will not be asked to give back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man, and when white will embrace what is right"

    Sounds like the same race victimhood crap we've endured since the 60's. For God's sakes, we just stuck an unqualified black man in the white house, what else can white people do to make "right".

    The next four years of, "you can't criticise Obama, that's racist!!!" is going to get old quick.
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    I do solemnly swear...line, please?

    Here's your chance to throw him out on a technicality, Dave, no mulligans. paging Kenneth Starr...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave View Post
    Change?
    http://content.usatoday.com/communit.../01/61651854/1

    "help us work for that day when black will not be asked to give back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man, and when white will embrace what is right"

    Sounds like the same race victimhood crap we've endured since the 60's. For God's sakes, we just stuck an unqualified black man in the white house, what else can white people do to make "right".

    The next four years of, "you can't criticise Obama, that's racist!!!" is going to get old quick.
    Much as I love you Dave, I am deeply relieved that your lot of neo-con religio-corporate *&%$s have been consigned, with the contempt that only history can muster, to the political dustbin.

    I still think that Obama will be a company man within a year or two and will largely dissapoint.
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    I still think that Obama will be a company man within a year or two and will largely dissapoint.
    Your prediction leads to my biggest fear for Mr. O: the teeming masses he mobilized during his campaign, who (wrongly) think he's gonna pay their mortgage and car-payment, and all they gotta do is point to the "I Voted for Obama" pin on their shirt - are gonna be severely disappointed when those payments don't arrive in the next 24 months.

    He never explicitly promised that stuff, but many expect it anyway. How hard will they turn on him?

    He's gonna have to continue 'selling' his slow-moving programs (whatever they are) to an impatient public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    Your prediction leads to my biggest fear for Mr. O: the teeming masses he mobilized during his campaign, who (wrongly) think he's gonna pay their mortgage and car-payment, and all they gotta do is point to the "I Voted for Obama" pin on their shirt - are gonna be severely disappointed when those payments don't arrive in the next 24 months.

    He never explicitly promised that stuff, but many expect it anyway. How hard will they turn on him?

    He's gonna have to continue 'selling' his slow-moving programs (whatever they are) to an impatient public.
    Yeah those people should just accept that in the richest country in the world, large swathes should have 3rd world levels of poverty, violence and infant mortality
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    Your prediction leads to my biggest fear for Mr. O: the teeming masses he mobilized during his campaign, who (wrongly) think he's gonna pay their mortgage and car-payment, and all they gotta do is point to the "I Voted for Obama" pin on their shirt - are gonna be severely disappointed when those payments don't arrive in the next 24 months.

    He never explicitly promised that stuff, but many expect it anyway. How hard will they turn on him?

    He's gonna have to continue 'selling' his slow-moving programs (whatever they are) to an impatient public.
    Anyone fool enough to get the mob worked up in such a state simply so he/she can get elected deserves whatever fate they have in store for him. Live by the mob, die by the mob.

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    Yeah those people should just accept that in the richest country in the world, large swathes should have 3rd world levels of poverty, violence and infant mortality
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    Your prediction leads to my biggest fear for Mr. O: the teeming masses he mobilized during his campaign, who (wrongly) think he's gonna pay their mortgage and car-payment, and all they gotta do is point to the "I Voted for Obama" pin on their shirt - are gonna be severely disappointed when those payments don't arrive in the next 24 months.

    He never explicitly promised that stuff, but many expect it anyway. How hard will they turn on him?

    He's gonna have to continue 'selling' his slow-moving programs (whatever they are) to an impatient public.
    I agree with Idaho & Kukri. Peoples expectations may be unrealistically high, though it's understandable considering recent events. Presidents can do nothing without the cooperation of the Legislature, and financially, this administration is limited in manuever room.

    I'll take positive, open and fairminded action & policies to flowery speeches any day.
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    It's odd. I heard a speech talking about sacrifice, hard work and community spirit, invoking the best of the US values of self-reliance. A speech that highlighted the recent "gimme" culture as being spoilt and oh-so-over.

    I'd have called it a sober and conservative speech. He talked about taking a pay-cut to save your neighbour's job. He talked about recognising that a good life doesn't come easy, and never should have done (or appear to have done so). He talked about the best of America being her "never say die", never give up optimism. He offered peace with enemies as long as they unclench their fists and unbending enmity if they choose not to.

    Apart from the fiscal bail-outs that pretty much every politician in the Western world seems to be bent on providing, I didn't catch much about hand-outs - but a lot about fixing things by hard work and personal responsibility. He eschewed the false partisanship about big/little government in favour of government that works.

    Now all this is just a speech, but it struck me as a very conservative speech that if it had been given by a "Conservative" politician, might well have had that grouping swooning. But then US conservatism has me constantly baffled.



    It had inspirational imagery, but lots of practicality too. A good speech for the times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    Much as I love you Dave, I am deeply relieved that your lot of neo-con religio-corporate *&%$s have been consigned, with the contempt that only history can muster, to the political dustbin.

    I still think that Obama will be a company man within a year or two and will largely dissapoint.
    That's a good observation. It's commonly remarked that after two years a "leader" surrounds himself in a transparent bubble. All the yes-men and aids he trusts the most tell him what he wants to hear and he becomes the led.


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    Okay, here are my on-site thoughts.

    (Note: Some of it may be rambling, as well as the fact that a lot of it is familiarized with the city's geography. I'll try to pare it down so that people unfamiliar with DC get the idea.)

    I woke up at 3:30 AM, and left with a group of friends around 4, which is when the Metro (DC's subway system) opens. Got to the nearest Metro station and the place was packed already. Not a good sign. The first train went by, already completely full. Luckily, the second train was fine so we all squeezed in. After a couple of incidents on the train, we got off at the Farragut North stop, which is a moderate walk away from the Mall.

    Got to the Mall and started walking in the direction of the Capitol, passing the Washington Monument as well as a few news HQs. We eventually settled on a spot of dirt and gravel roughly a quarter-mile away from the Capitol, with a good view of a JumboTron screen (in case you remember the overheads, there was one up near the front, and then a row on the opposite side of the Mall. We were behind the first JumboTron in that row). All in all, we were all settled in a bit before 5:30 AM.

    It was cold. Gloves, hoods, anything to help block the temperature, came out. One girl had enough of it and went home just as the sun was starting to come up. She was from Upstate NY, too, which gives you an idea of how bad it was.

    When we arrived, a good portion of the Mall (closer to the Washingtom Monument) was still open and for the most part people-free. By sunrise, there were people as far back as I could see. I'm told from eyewitnesses that the crowd eventually extended well beyond the Monument and even pushed to the Lincoln Memorial's Reflecting Pool (well over a mile away from the Capitol).

    Slowly, time passed. When I wasn't trying to get warm I took a look at the crowd around me. The thing that struck me the most was the ratio of black people to white people, with the whites being heavily outnumbered. When you think of DC, you usually think of all of the politicians and lobbyists related to it, and forget that a large majority of the city's population is black. I was definitely reminded of this fact today. To a man, they all seemed to be wearing Obama gear, and were clearly in a good mood. I'm searching to find the right word for the overall tone they had, and although nothing really matches, I think the closest descriptor is "peaceful vindication". I heard several comments throughout the day that Obama had "finally did it" and that this day was the realization of thousands, if not millions, of dreams. There was no malice, no "time to reverse the tables" sort of thinking. It was all "we did it, things are finally going to be right". I think this general lack of malice is a great sign for the country, as it means that perhaps we've finally closed the book on racism. I can only hope that the feeling stays as the GOP no doubt attempts to oppose the Obama Administration in certain areas.

    All in all, the crowd was very liberal, as you might expect. My friends who arrived later were telling me that farther back, by the Monument, you got the crazies and weirdos, like one guy who dressed up like a tree. Closer up front though, where I was, as the dignitaries were introduced, the Democratic figures on the whole got way more applause than the Republican ones did. This held true even for the controversial Democratic people (Pelosi, who got big applause) and the relatively noncontroversial Republicans (a relatively indifferent reaction to Bush 41). Bush 43 was the only person who got openly booed, and there was a small chanting of "na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goo-ood bye" going on.

    However - and this, along with the tone of the black crowd gives me a great hope for the future of the country - once Obama was into his speech, and wholeheartedly gave thanks to the outgoing president for his service, the boos turned into applause and some cheers. To me, the applause didn't sound reserved, as if the crowd was clapping only because it was told to. I think the audience, no matter their feelings as to the past eight years, looked deep down and recognized the man's good parts, and (belatedly) saluted him for it. If, as in these two cases, if we can get past our conflict-ridden histories and move on for the good of everyone, then I have hope for our country's future. At the very least, its tone if not his policies.

    Obama's speech, while partially focusing on the policies (which, being a fiscal conservative, made me slightly uneasy), also heavily hit on the conclusion I made in the above paragraph, which is exactly what I think he needed to do. For this reason, his speech - while not in the same rhetorical vein as JFK's or the "I Have a Dream" speech - was successful.

    I also need to give a special mention to the Rick Warren invocation, which was very powerful and, in my opinion, the best speech of the day. For all the controversy surrounding his appointment, he made it perfectly clear that he wants nothing more than to see Obama do well and the country to prosper, which goes well with what I thought to be the theme of the day. It also takes something, in this day and age, to get two million Americans from all backgrounds, standing, with our heads down, to recite the Lord's Prayer.

    Despite all this, the inauguration ended on something of a low note for me. Although the sun warmed us up some, I was still freezing and left immediately following Obama's speech, not bothering to listen to the poet and whatever pastor they had on afterwards. I made a beeline for the nearest Metro station, L'Enfant Plaza, which was massive and I figured would be able to handle the crowd of people. It took me about 20 minutes to get to the nearest station entrance, at which point we (I was separated from my group by this time) were informed by the Army that the entrance was closed and the nearest one was about a block down the street.

    Well, it took me about 20 more minutes to get back to the street I was originally on, and I looked ahead and saw something out of a disaster movie where the city was being evacuated. We were going nowhere, and I had no chance of getting to that station in anything remotely resembling good time. So I trek off, fighting through the crowds of people, looking for additional exits from the Mall area. The only problem was that pretty much every single artery was clogged with people. There were all kinds of rumors that the Metro was closed, that it wouldn't be open until the parade was over, etc.

    I eventually ended up taking a ridiculously roundabout route, finally getting into the city proper at Foggy Bottom (above the Lincoln Memorial, which is really far away from where I was), and trying to see if the situation at that Metro station was any better. From two blocks away, I saw a huge crowd by it, and figured not to bother. I could have headed east and tried the Farragut North station, where I got on, but I figured the situation wasn't any different there, and besides, my campus was to the northwest. So I just decided to keep on walking and several uphill miles later, I arrived home.

    All said, my inauguration experience took around 12 hours, from the time I left (4 AM) to the time I got back and sat down (4 PM). It was a lot to take in for one day, and while I'm glad I went and experienced it, I wish the conditions and planning had been a bit better.

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    Well I stayed up all night to watch the thing (He was scheduled to take the oath at 4am...) and I have to say it is amazing to see just how many people turned out. For all the flack that Obama took during the campaign about being nothing but rhetoric this just went to show you what his rhetoric was capable of doing. Looking at the faces of the people there you could see the mood of the nation changing from one of hopelessness, to pure hope itself. A national revival such as this is healthy for all nations to undertake regularly and I don't think it could come at a better time for America.

    Congratulations President Obama - serve your country and the citizens of the world proudly, truthfully and well.
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    Gud luck Obama. I wish him luck. I think he has the potential to do a lot of things for ye country.




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    True colors?
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    Thanks for the on the scene report GeneralHankerchief. Too bad you couldn't score one of those steam grates. Did you notice any of the usual array of homeless vagabonds about or did security remove them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Thats a song by Steinberg isn't it ?
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    And the darkness inside you
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    But I see your true colors
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    I see your true colors
    And that's why I love you
    So don't be afraid to let them show
    Your true colors
    True colors are beautiful,
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    Show me a smile then,
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    And you've taken all you can bear
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    And I'll see your true colors
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    I see your true colors
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    So don't be afraid to let them show
    Your true colors
    True colors are beautiful,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Is that because Europe doesn't have such large numbers or concentrations of them and doesn't have countries with the electoral system that America has ?
    Shhh.... Let the yanks have their moment, no need to tell them that our immigrant populations are just that - immigrants - who came here only some 30 odd years ago...

    African americans are just that - americans. Just as american as any other human living there. Actually, a little less american than the indians, but whatever. When you elect, say, and Indian or Arab, then we can talk.

    The bottom line is, our africans are immigrants(the jews are our only real "native aliens", and I do believe we've elected them). African Americans are Americans. Being black shouldn't be an issue at all, really. But being an immigrant, ie. coming from one culture and having to learn another culture, etc. is a significantly bigger step.

    Though, it could be pointed out that Sarky is Hungarian, and as such an immigrant, much more than Obama
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    African americans are just that - americans. Just as american as any other human living there. Actually, a little less american than the indians, but whatever. When you elect, say, and Indian or Arab, then we can talk.
    Well they can't do that , even if the arab or indian gets citizenship they still can't be elected as the office is only open to natural americans .
    So for example while Bustamante was a hispanic he could get elected for state governement and could run for president , but Arnie who is "white" could run for state government but not for president .
    So while you mention Sarko as an example of a son of an immigrant being elected as President I suppose Ireland can go one better by having had several actual immigrants elected as President and several minorities elected to that office too .
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