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    Default Music in Empire

    With the lack of information at the moment things seem to be quite quiet on the Empire front.

    So in the interest of stirring up activity and discussion I've come up with a new thread idea.

    Music.

    Music has always been well done in the Total War series. In every game the score has done a great job of adding to the atmosphere and excitement of the games.

    In Empire CA have an opportunity that has not really been present before in the series. What do I mean? Well for this era we actually know what music people listened to. We have examples of folk songs, military marches, drinking songs, sea shanties, operas and classical scores that were all around at the time.

    If CA were to include some of these in-game it could really set the mood and help draw us into the period.

    There is another key example of music which could be a great addition the the game:

    National anthems.

    Many countries national anthems first appeared during the time period. Wouldn't it be great to hear your nation's anthem play after a heroic victory?

    So what do you think about using classical and historical music in the game? Do you have any pieces you would paticularly like to hear? What do you think about national anthems, and which country do you think has the best anthem? (Try not to argue too much about this )

    *This poll is public, people can see what option you voted for. Just so you know.*
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    Since we are having drummers and such, don't forget some historical fife and drum pieces or pipes and drums for the English.

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    You need more choices up above.

    Traditional marches! Folk tunes from the various lands, It would be great if you could select a particular tune for your various generals and admirals. Their special march for battle…but that isn’t going to happen.

    So we will listen to Yankee Doodle and maybe Gary Owen, Irish Washer Woman, and a few others until we pull out our hair…


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    Any type of music will be good, as long as it works.
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    While we could include national anthems, unless it was british or american I wouldn't be able to understand it...so I prefer the usual way CA does it. Long classical scores with plenty of unique and creative tunes that fit the time period.

    CA has done a phenomenal job so far with music, I leave it up to them to figure out what to do this time.

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    English and also Scots and Irish military marches:

    As you listen to British military marches, you'll notice that often there is the "British military intro", which consists of two sets of rolling drums, each striking three times. (trrr-trrr-trrr, trrr-trrr-trrr)

    Just about every song in Edinburgh Military Tattoo is good, depending on taste, I never heard them all, it's mostly bagpipe and fife and drums. Edinburgh Military Tattoo can be found easily on youtube.

    http://www.farmersboys.com/MAIN/regimental_music.htm
    The Duke of Edinburgh's Regiment - The Farmer's Boy (excellent music all around)
    Wiltshire Regiment - The Vly (perhaps music accompanying an event page)
    Gloucestershire Regiment - Kynegad Slashers (excellent music all around, though Farmer's Boy is still better)
    Gloucestershire Regiment - The Young May Moon (this is also known as Florentiner Marsch by the Germans. Exact same tune, don't know which one came first. Rather mellow without the occasional saxophone part, could be campaign map music)
    The Standard of Saint George: excellent marching music. Originally a soldier of the Roman Empire (the Christian one, after 311), taken by the British as a national symbol. This is the original George that all the other Georges are named after.

    Radio 4 UK theme
    -Rule Britannia (British national anthem. Royal anthem is God Save the Queen, same throughout all British countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand..., with distinct national anthem in each. So British national anthem is Rule Britannia) could be accompanying music to an event page, not the kind of music playing again and again
    -Londonderry Air or Danny Boy, Irish song, very landscapely beautiful, (could be campaign map music, the kind of music playing again and again)
    -What shall we do with a drunken sailor, my favorite, very Celtic with a marching but also a dancing tune
    -Men of Harlech, Welsh song, also my favorite, with about a dozen lyrics versions

    Heart of Oak: song of the Royal Navy
    http://www.stadband.ca/snd/heartofoak.mp3
    Never heard it sung in as good of a way as it is played instrumentally, except when sung by myself, so I am not posting a sung version

    A Life on the Ocean Wave:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlSXeo-sBY (starts at 0:13)

    Royal Green Jackets County Regiments 3 - 1 (very fast marching songs or cavalry rhythms)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJHz58xh6A
    Light Infantry County Regiments 5 - 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWKPCh90BR4
    British Bugle Calls: http://www.farmersboys.com/MAIN/Bugles_Calls.htm
    It would be excellent for battle map music, depending on the order given

    Marche des soldats de Robert Bruce (Robert Bruce's soldiers march)
    played at Bannockburn 1314 by the Scots
    played at Orléans 1429 by the Scottish volunteers for Jeanne d'Arc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNUwc01dypU
    with later written lyrics

    Scots wha hae (Scottish anthem 1/5)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JPtb6oi2Y
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKT7qxk9-pw
    Scotland the Brave (Scottish anthem 2/5)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF5pEsJQlxI
    Highland Cathedral (Scottish anthem 3/5)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieFS785QPk
    Flower of Scotland (Scottish anthem 4/5)
    http://www.electricscotland.com/tvsc...ScotlandRST.rm
    A man's a man (Scottish anthem 5/5)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFpkqLI4GY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMRbOupoUfM (after 0:30)


    Franc military marches:

    -Marche de l'Académie Militaire de Saint-Cyr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T1U7KyqIG4
    -L'hymne du Premier Empire, Le Chant du Départ: the lyrics are as dramatic and strong as, or more than, those of La Marseillaise. It is known as the second Marseillaise, written as an epic opera, with the soldiers singing as they leave their village for battle, with an elected representative singing one part, then the soldiers singing the chorus, then their fathers and old men singing one part, then the soldiers the chorus, then their mothers, then the soldiers, then their sisters, then the soldiers, then their younger brothers, then the soldiers, and so on.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX1hYxgcgmM Starts after 0:14 First chorus at 0:50 till 1:12 The music matche the words exactly, so it's easy to follow.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HXaV8O7UmM Notice the Roman eagle on top of the Franc flags, also the Roman eagle with laurel wreath on the soldiers' caps.
    lyrics can be found on Wikipedia

    -Marche de la garde consulaire à Marengo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBUUoQ4Q19o
    -Les trompettes D'Aïda One of the most glorious marches ever written by humanity ever, Franc or otherwise.
    Instrumental: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_if8R5xZE Starting at 3:34 till 5:08
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QO21JCa7NA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNEu09pVD8E Starting at 3:28 till 5:03
    With words about French Regiments of Africa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1IORWhMUSk and lyrics here: http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/french/cestnous.htm Some of the best song verses ever written in French, rivalled only by le Chant du Départ and La Marseillaise
    Pas de Charge de la Marine Impériale - the charging steps (or, the charging cadence) of the Imperial Navy This is from the First Empire. In Franc, "Marine" is Navy, and "Infanterie de la Marine" is Marines.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju1pL5T9GLA
    La Victoire est à Nous/ On vas leur percer le flanc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fm5iKdsZmQ
    -La Marseillaise so stereotypical I suggest not including it, or only briefly
    Marches des Cuirassiers (the best rendition)/Marche des Grenadiers a Cheval
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_5eibgtOc
    -La Marche des Cuirassier (less good rendition) La Victoire est à nous (at 1:19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76CBzXupW4
    -La Marche de la Garde Impériale a Waterloo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ_SFLzt-n4
    -Aux Tambours de la Vieille Garde Impériale 1810 (by the drums of the Old Imperial Guard 1810, only drum sounds, this is good battlefield music, or loading screen music) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqN3Z7EHrz0
    Pas acceléré
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIR-8SUiLto

    Le Régiment de Sambre et Meuse (lyrics composed 1879, music composed and played in 1919, so it's outside the era):
    instrumental with history description of the battle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuvTB-HCYQ (actual song from 0:25 to 1:35, the other parts are intro-fanfare, and some random fanfare)
    sung (and very well sung, except for a slightly off-air at the chorus part): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL_lZkJyDR0
    lyrics: http://club-acacia.over-blog.com/article-5881017.html
    Again, the Francs are excellent at writing glorious military songs. I merely didn't post this one at first because there is a line describing immortality as dying for the fatherland, which isn't true. Immortality is living with Jesus. For a military composition the music is excellent. The lyrics has bravery such as "...To the death we stood in ranks. The regiment, by sprayed projectiles, was assailed on all sides. Yet the living/human rampart remained impassible and standing"

    Salut des Aigles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaCwIuodtQ
    Chant de l'oignon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKRogpFUaY0
    Fanfare de cavalerie du 8e Hussards d'Altkirch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHpthDLpZw
    Fanfare 2ème Hussards - Au pas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnWjS1kaiZU
    Fanfare 2ème Hussards - Cavalerie en FAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6thR2uHuxI
    Fanfare 2ème Hussards, part 1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt0RiadcKNg
    Fanfare 2ème Hussards, part 2, (same as "Highland Cathedral" after 0:10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3feEGKqMIw


    Polish military marches:
    I collected relatively few of this country, in great disproportion to my interest in getting the songs, because I can't search in Polish.
    -Poland anthem: Jeszcze Polska Nie zginęła (Yesh-zh-ey Polska Nee-yezgee-ney-wa, the zh is pronounced like j in jeep) Poland has not yet perished One of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard, either sung or instrumental.
    Instrumental: http://www.poland.gov.pl/files/polish_anthem.mp3
    Sung: http://www.ceo.org.pl/_files_/mojapo.../mazurek_c.mp3
    Lyrics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazurek_D%C4%85browskiego

    -Warszawianka 1831
    lyrics: wow, I actually only found this now. I thought it was an instrumental only till a few seconds ago. The lyrics are about as beautiful as the Marseillaise.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warszawianka_1831_roku
    instrumental: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XcAxgq_WiQ
    sung: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXdawhw-qu8

    A song of the Polish Uhlan and Hussars
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hN0HM0E-xM


    German military marches, the best ones overall aside from the exceptionally good ones in Franc, British and Polish

    The German military marches often have the Prussian intro, which consists of a set of fife and drums. I never found an MP3 with only the intro, but here is the most complete intro: from 0:30 to 3:36 is the Prussian intro, all of it, and from 3:27 to 3:36 is the Prussian intro, short style
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VarayMJDDTE
    This is the Großer Zapfenstreich, which is the military parade of the German army.


    German marches are most easily collected. I have so many it'd take way too long to list
    Before you read any German lyrics, remember that in German (which is East-English, since English is West Germanic), "die" is English "the" and "lied" is English "song".
    Die Wacht am Rhein (The Watch over the Rhine): from 1840, lyrics impressive and beautiful (but not as beautiful as the Franc and Polish ones)
    http://ingeb.org/Lieder/esbraust.html
    Parademarsch Der 18er Husaren: this one is Austria-Hungarian
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQJPy-z4zyw
    Bataillon Garde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiwigh27zSo
    Preussen Gloria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKnRLUqynds This song has Lyrics. I know it and I have seen it before. Except I didn't copy it down. Now I can't find them, it was on one website, and it was lyrics written in the 19th century, not recently. So anyone finding the lyrics please post here, or PM me about it.
    Marsch des Yorck'schen Korps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5BbhGd5M This one is by von Beethoven, yes he composed at least one military march
    Dessauer Marsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXxqZbYfAqg
    Hohenfriedberger Marsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhOxFtj7Eo amazingly here is the sung version of the bridge part of the Koniggratzer
    Königgrätzer Marsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4PwSVW5Aak 19th century march made unfairly infamous by 3rd Indiana Jones movies combined with entertainment consumers' lack of knowledge about history. Hohenfriedberger Marsch starts at 1:11
    Präsentiermarsch König Friedrich Wilhelm III von Preussen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGHCsEswMJk
    Marsch des Herzogs von Braunschweig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BdwTWn_T6s
    Prinz Eugen der edle Ritter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=armLMCpOSLs
    Regimentsgruß: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG-ACATnJzw
    Pariser Einzugsmarsch (1814) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZuWWfe0KMQ March composed specially for the entry into Paris by combined armies of Prussia, Austria-Hungary and Britain. It was played once in 1814 and once again in 1940. :)
    Das Badnerlied The most beautiful land in Germany: http://www.rothaus.de/img/10download...badnerlied.mp3
    a folk song about Baden-Württemberg, very landscape and serene lyrics
    Tirol du bist mein heimatland (Tyrol you are my Homeland) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbSLCcUnrxc a folk song about Tyrol, a region whose north is in Austria-Hungary and south or most of it is in Italy.
    Hohe Tannen (High/Tall Conifer-trees): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USU5wuQNPyI Not a Third Reich song, or a Hitlerjugend song. Song written in 1700s or so, about, well, northern forests
    Radetzky Marsch: http://home.claranet.de/liedertafel/radetzky.mp3 one of the most classical of classical musics
    Alla Turca, Allegretto (Turkish March, alla is probably "à la", or in the way/manner of):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLRqSV45vo Beautiful piano composition of Mozart. I didn't even know it was called Turkish March till in the US. In Canada some person constantly plays it in the subway.

    American music:
    Scott Joplin - The Entertainer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cFkae0j_Ns First heard in a Disney cartoon, played by Pluto with gloves from a magician. Beautiful 19th century American piano composition. Not sure if it's in Empire: Total War's time, though it'd be great campaign map music in the Wild West, if there is an expansion about that.
    American Revolution songs (under 18th century, then Revolutionary War): http://www.contemplator.com/america/ (there is an unknown menu music, but as you click on each song, you'll see the lyrics and hear its MIDI)
    Free America:
    lyrics: http://www.contemplator.com/america/freeamer.html
    tune (same as The British Grenadier)
    sung: http://www.mcneilmusic.com/music/FreeAmer.mp3 (singing starts at 1:00, sung are the 6th stanza and 4th stanza)
    The Liberty Song:
    lyrics: http://www.contemplator.com/america/liberty.html
    tune (same as Heart of Oak)
    Star-Spangled Banner: it has 4 stanzas in lyrics. For some reason people think there is only 1.

    Russian music:
    The March of Preobrajensky Guard Regiment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsFHAJ-E3XE
    The March of Semenovsky Guard Regiment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4_RHSxgdY
    The March of the Iszmailkovsky Guard Regiment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkDJKnBmLM
    The March of the Yegersky Guard Regiment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCou__xspE

    Missing:
    March of Pavlovsky Guard Regiment
    March of Moskovsky Guard Regiment
    March of Yekaterinoslav (Guard?) Regiment
    March of Mounted Guard Regiment
    March of Russian Jaeger Regiments
    March of Russian Cavalry (regular troops)
    March of Russian Imperial Navy

    If these marches exist.
    {note: I hate imperial rule and anything resembling it, like how Putin tries to be emperor. This search for music is merely history interest and musical interest, not any support for kings or king-rule. Putin and all his despotic spy-colleagues will be overthrown by the Russian people.}

    The Uthman Empire
    Mehter Marssi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnN-gbKmvE a march of the janissaries

    Norway:
    Gammel Norsk Jaegermarsch by Schioldberg
    Den Norske Love, Marsch by Borg
    Excellent classical music pieces, not quite battle music, but not quite mellow like Londonderry Air either. It has been years and I no longer can find where I downloaded them. Some songs I also WinMXed.

    Sweden
    Svenska Arméns Paradmarsch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuRkdr_4eE0
    very energetic marching/battle music, cavalry rhythm. I only wonder how the infantry parade-marched to such an air
    Under Svea Banér
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Y8Jg_ItG0&NR Impressively beautiful song
    Swede change of the Imperial Guard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QyQJa7vCM
    A great-sounding military song from beginning till 0:28
    Instrumental (a good one) from 0:28 till 1:44
    Jazz (??) from 1:44 till 3:00
    Impressive drum drill from 3:00 till 5:12
    ok to passable military music in between
    A great-sounding landscape-type of patriotic song from 6:00 till 6:55
    Some of the best fife and drum from 6:55 till 7:52

    Muistoja Pohjolasta (A Finn march. Finland used to be part of Sweden till 1917)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBwUur0xabI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxlWGauFl5s

    In Finn: Hakkapeliittain Marssi
    In Swede: Finska Rytteriets Marsch i trettioåriga kriget
    In German: Marsch der Finnländischen Reiterei
    Instrumental version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi-YTuVGESw (best version)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5X7VP9muc (not so well played, but with history info)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1MjKrlqNuM (also best version)
    Lyrics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakkapeliitta
    SUNG in Finn/Suomi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfBscWCJzQ
    This is my favorite Scandinavian march, by composition as well as lyrics. And even though it's Finn, it was part of Sweden at that time, so it can be considered Swedish. The Hakkapeliitta should be a special shock unit of Sweden in ETW.
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    Nice effort! And nice toons! POTM!!! (post of the minute)

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    i would love to have some classical music, preferably some orchestral stuff, for the campaign map and naval battles especially. in particular, i would love stringed instruments in the naval music (dont ask why. i just do).
    I also love the idea of national anthems-only problem is if some nations have them and others dont, it will seem more conspicuous if they aren't there.
    Nice topic to speculate about though

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    I really hope some more effort is put into this. I´d like to see, or hear ;), faction specific music for each faction. Why they bother to hire an composer for each game is beyond me however good the music has been this far. The only prob, I guess, with my request, is the sheer volume that is needed to have authentic music for each faction.

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    I love the work you did The Pianist!


    Now to anthems…

    Do you know what they are going to do with the Native Americans!?!

    Tom Tom music! Do you know how irritating that will be???

    Now I have heard some wonderful Classical Music with Native American themes, but just plane Hollywood Drum music is a bit infuriating, you know.

    I would prefer something more along the lines of the theme from The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly…lol



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    Fantastic work ThePianist!, clearly your musical name was well chosen.

    Personally I would like to see faction specific music, with historical songs from each faction making up that faction's soundtrack.

    As for not understanding the lyrics in the national anthems, it's personal choice of course but I say why bother about it? They are usually a good listen even if you don't know what exactly is being said. It's always the same thing anyway (our country is great, look at how great we are, we win in lots of fights etc.).

    CA have already mentioned that units on the battle map will yell out commands and battle cries in the appropriate faction specific language. Faction specific national anthems would simply add another layer of atmosphere and immersion.

    I can foresee a few problems with this however. What happens if Britian becomes a republic? Clearly 'God Save the King' is no longer appropriate. The game would have to switch to using 'Rule Brittania' instead. (Incidentally a very good song for a naval victory.)

    @ Fisherking

    I can just iamgine the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly playing during the tense stand off between two armies, just before both lines of muskets let loose. It would be a fantastic way of building the tension.

    Native drumming wouldn't be so bad if done well. Personally military drumming is some of my favourite music (although not for casual listening.)

    The things I am most looking forward to are the battlefield musicians. I want to hear a lone piper playing 'Scotland the Brave' as the last of the Jacobite rebels fall to English shot. Or a triumphant pipe song echoing eerily across a valley between two armies right before an epic battle begins.

    In terms of dramatic tension you just can't get any better than drums and bagpipes.

    Even better!

    The English general is walking though a misty dale on the Scottish border. Tendrils of fog curl around him, as if trying to drag him into the white blanket that surrounds his forces. He knows that there will be a battle today, but he knows not who will be the enemy or how many men they have. His own men are skittish, the boggy land and the clouds of fog make marching difficult. This land seems alien to them, hostile, as if the hills themselves hate their English masters.

    As they trudge through the white hell, no sound can be heard. It is eerily silent in the same way a graveyard is, horrors lurking just beyond the edge of hearing and site.

    And then one man hears it, a green foot soldier who has never seen battle before. He gestures to them men around him, now they hear it to.

    The steady beat of a drum, somewhere in the mists.

    The drum beat grows louder, and then is joined by another drum, and another. The beat stays simple, but the soldiers know it is now dozens of drums pounding out that steady thump, like the heartbeat of some great predator.

    The beat grows louder, something is coming through the fog.

    Suddenly an unearthly wail cuts through the air. A piper has begun to play a dirge. The piercing music of the bagpipes chills English hearts. Now they know the enemy, and they know they are close. Terror wells up inside the untested soldiers. their courage is wavering on the brink of routing.

    The drum beat gets faster. More pipes join in the fearsome chorus. The music builds to a crescendo! And then suddenly...

    A thousand hardy Scottish clansmen roar out of the fog, screaming defiance and murder at the hated English.

    That sort of thing would make for a fantastically atmospheric battle, no matter which side you happened to be playing.
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    @ Sir Beane

    Ah yes! I can see your troops now…

    As your General takes a look and the Color Sergeant turns and asks the Sergeant Major, where is General Cope going is such a hurry?


    Oh Johnnie, now get scamperin'
    The Highland bagpipes make a din
    It's best to sleep in your hale skin
    It'll be a bloody morning.
    When Johnnie Cope to Berwick came
    The asked of him, "Where are your men?"
    "The divil confound me gin I ken,
    For I left them all in the morning."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    @ Sir Beane

    Ah yes! I can see your troops now…

    As your General takes a look and the Color Sergeant turns and asks the Sergeant Major, where is General Cope going is such a hurry?


    Oh Johnnie, now get scamperin'
    The Highland bagpipes make a din
    It's best to sleep in your hale skin
    It'll be a bloody morning.
    When Johnnie Cope to Berwick came
    The asked of him, "Where are your men?"
    "The divil confound me gin I ken,
    For I left them all in the morning."

    Execllent choice of song sir! See this is exactly the kind of song that should be included in Empire! This paticular one could be if Scotland gain a heroic victory against the English.

    For those not familiar with Scottish folk songs the lyrics are from 'Hey, Johnnie Cope, are Ye Waking Yet?', a.k.a 'Hey Johnnie Cope, are you awake yet' or 'Heigh! Johnnie Cowp, are ye wauken yet?', or simply "Johnny Cope." Since it's a folk song different regions give it different titles.

    Here's a link.

    It's an account of the Battle of Prestonpans from the view of the Jacobite forces of the Second Jacobite Uprising (Bonnie Prince Charlie's lot.). They won the battle decisively, but a most of the lyrics about Cope's cowardice or either made up or heavily exagerrated.

    Still, the winners get to say whatever they like. And in this case write a nifty little folk song to commemorate the victory.
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    Voted "Yes please!" with the majority of you, but very honestly I will probably turn the music way down or off, so I can better hear the report of the range weapons. Hearing can supplement seeing and direct your attention to active portions of the line, and a quick look for smoke will confirm who is shooting who.

    I will still review all ThePianist linked to us (later today when I have more time), purely for the the spirit

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    I think that military marches should be included. It would bring the game a alot of realism.
    About national anthems, I dont think they were that important back then. I suppose they could be included as part of an achievement event or total victory.

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    This is a must. I would like to hear some Mozart and other classical composers during the Strategic Phase and then hear the Marches and such during Battle. Gotta have plenty of bagpipes anytime a Scottish Unit sets foot on the field of battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Invictus View Post
    This is a must. I would like to hear some Mozart and other classical composers during the Strategic Phase and then hear the Marches and such during Battle. Gotta have plenty of bagpipes anytime a Scottish Unit sets foot on the field of battle.
    That would be cool!

    There were Scottish Units in quite a few armies!

    In fact the bag pipes are found all over the place. From Ireland to Egypt. In Germany they are called and I won’t attempt the German spelling but it sounds like (you’ll love this) Doodle Sack.
    And a rather popular instrument!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    That would be cool!

    There were Scottish Units in quite a few armies!

    In fact the bag pipes are found all over the place. From Ireland to Egypt. In Germany they are called and I won’t attempt the German spelling but it sounds like (you’ll love this) Doodle Sack.
    And a rather popular instrument!

    Go here for more info about bagpipes in Germany, the dudelsack.

    Here for information on the turkish bagpipe, the Tulum.

    And here for bagpipes in the rest of the world.

    Go here for a host of pipers playing Scotland the Brave. It's a contender for the national anthem of Scotland and is my personal favourite pipe tune.

    I love bagpipes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PseRamesses View Post
    I really hope some more effort is put into this. I´d like to see, or hear ;), faction specific music for each faction. Why they bother to hire an composer for each game is beyond me however good the music has been this far. The only prob, I guess, with my request, is the sheer volume that is needed to have authentic music for each faction.
    Separate music pack given as option during installation, in case people have lots of things on their hard drive and want to save some Mb. And/or also have the music files made into the most compact versions (either .wav or .ram or .flv) and of the least audio quality (which could decrease the file size) as long as it is not noticeable to the common ear. In other words, as long as the music doesn't have statics in it, it's good. I have played with some audio softwares, the very simple ones, and a 2 mb audio file can have the same sound as a 1mb audio file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePianist View Post
    Separate music pack given as option during installation, in case people have lots of things on their hard drive and want to save some Mb. And/or also have the music files made into the most compact versions (either .wav or .ram or .flv) and of the least audio quality (which could decrease the file size) as long as it is not noticeable to the common ear. In other words, as long as the music doesn't have statics in it, it's good. I have played with some audio softwares, the very simple ones, and a 2 mb audio file can have the same sound as a 1mb audio file.
    This is an extremely good an idea. And it makes me wonder. If CA don't put much historical, classical music in the game then perhaps the modding community could.

    Since all of these songs are well out of copyrite there would be no problem with modders releasing a music mod aimed at giving each faction its own specific songs and tunes.

    What do we think? Good idea or bad? I'm not a modder so I don't know how feasible this is.


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    Reviving this thread to complain about the lack of campaign map music. There's only the (rather medieval sounding) mood music. If a small company like Paradox could license a few hours of the Naxos catalogue, I don't see why CA/Sega couldn't have managed. Need mod or something.

    Do appreciate the Bach events though.

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    I'd love some proper music... the first 2 minutes into the demo i knew i absolutely hated the music. I think the absolute worst decision by CA with this game was to exclude absolutely every score of music we all expected to hear in it.

    Where the hell is the marching music? It's utterly crazy CA didn't at least including marching drum and fife music, absolutely astoundingly moronic...

    But i know someone will eventually mod it in, and that's how i sleep at night.

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    To be honest I dont really miss the music. In fact I hadnt even thought about it till I read this post. Music really isnt important to me for this game but thats just how I feel. No disrespect to those wanting music in a mod. I can see why some people would want it though for game play enhancement. I, myself, prefer to play music of my own choosing when gaming but thats just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skott View Post
    To be honest I dont really miss the music. In fact I hadnt even thought about it till I read this post. Music really isnt important to me for this game but thats just how I feel. No disrespect to those wanting music in a mod. I can see why some people would want it though for game play enhancement. I, myself, prefer to play music of my own choosing when gaming but thats just me.
    It's because music was so astoundingly important in battles of this period. Music alters the mind and instills discipline in men. Drum beats encourage bravado. Certain scores of music played at the right time will give a man an adrenaline rush, and it's just not there and i want it there.

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    They didn't include battlefield music at all, aside from a slight nod to it in the form of the drummer. Where are the fifes and the bagpipes? Where are the military tattoo's (sp?)?

    The game also features no classical or historic music whatsoever .

    @ Skott

    I'd rather in-game music than my own, because in-game music is usually much better for game immersion.


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    It would have been nice to see some period music in the game. I don't have a great deal of classical music to put in my stereo and what-not, even though I enjoy it, and Empires music is quite spartan. I end up listening to heavy metal and jazz-fusion most of the time, which is a bit out of the period, I think.
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    I like the music they have in Empire but why is there hardly any at all? It's also not as dynamic as it was in Rome and Med 2. No marching music for one as others have stated. The music gets old real fast. Need much more.
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    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=114665

    The sound mod contains military marches.
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    Anyone interested in Drum and Fife field marches should peek at my thread here for the files and video previews of it in action -> http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic...-Caligula.html

    Or here on this fourm, though its not updated as often as the link above -> https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=114364

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    I turned the music off as I find it distracting during battles.

    I'd like to be able to have music on the campaign map, but not on the battle map. Unfortunately it seems this isn't an option. As far as I can tell music has to be either on or off throughout the game.


    I could keep going to the options menu to change it every time I enter or exit a battle, but that's far too much hassle......


    Why can't CA just give us the option to have different settings for the different modes? It would make sense, after all......
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