Diplomacy Thread

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This is where the Ambassadors of the World's Empires meet and discuss the best choices for their factions.

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[Hax]

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A poor decision, if I say so myself. For you see, the "Arche", although it appears strong, it's strength is totally dependant on the goodwill of it's neighbours; his "Satraps". A Glorious Coalition of Oppressed Peoples could easily smite the Arche from the face of Gaia, and gain land for each respective people. For the Pahalava, Parthia and Sogdiana. Hayastan? The Caucasus and Media. The Ptolemaioi? Syria and Mesopotamia Us Baktrians? India and Khorasan. And Pontos? The whole of Anatolia. From the Taurus Mountains the Aegean, Tarsus to Sinope, a Pontic Shahdom, worthy of the Achaemenids. And yet, The Seleukids are denying you from fulfilling this dream, forcing you to bow to their yoke. That is no way for a Shah to behave, a Shah deserves land, wealth and power! And the Seleukids are the only barrier preventing Pontos from fulfilling it's destiny.

And that's not the only reason as to why we should join forces. For the Arche's strength is measured on the friendliness of his neighbours; were we all to sit by and watch the Seleukids, the Ptolemaioi would be destroyed, and cast out from their home, despite the wealth of Egypt. And with the combined wealth of Syria and Egypt, nothing could stop the Arche. It would swarm over the Earth, like bees from a hive, devouring all in it's path, leaving only oppression and desolation in it's wake. This is the time to prevent that, this is our time, this is the time for liberation!

So, I have proposed a plan. As I have mentioned above, the Arche will be divided amongst our kingdoms. I have divided it so that each kingdom gets a roughly equal share, noting of course that some regions are richer than others.

For the Arche's strength is measured on the friendliness of his neighbours; were we all to sit by and watch the Seleukids, the Ptolemaioi would be destroyed, and cast out from their home, despite the wealth of Egypt.

Do you honestly believe I have any intent of destroying the Ptolemaic empire? Ptolemaios I was a good friend of Megás Alexandros himself, as was Seleukos. Furthemore, the way you honestly believe you have the right to divide my empire between Pontos and Hayasdan, who are both my allies which I will gladly support if any foreign power would try to subjugate them. Do you honestly think that Seleukeia herself, which was founded by Seleukos Nikator himself would be granted to the Ptolemaioi? How about Antiocheia, named in honour of our king Antiochos. This will not ever happen, as brave Makedonians fought and died for our lands.

It were we who cast out the Galatian invaders and saved the east from the Gallic threat.

It was the combined might of Ptolemaios, Seleukos and Lysimachos who threw down Antiochos Monophtalmos who sought to usurp Babylon, Ekbatana and Susa.

Where was Baktria in all this? Can you answer this?

Also, the way you dare to take the lands of the Nabataean peoples who have lived freely and friendly to the heirs of Alexandros will not be met friendly by those peoples. So, friends, I ask you;

At what will Theodotos stop in his lust for lands? If he does indeed destroys the Arche, which is a laughable idea, he will turn to the Kings of Pontos and Hayasdan next!

[Skullheadhq]

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Do you honestly believe I have any intent of destroying the Ptolemaic empire? Ptolemaios I was a good friend of Megás Alexandros himself, as was Seleukos. Furthemore, the way you honestly believe you have the right to divide my empire between Pontos and Hayasdan, who are both my allies which I will gladly support if any foreign power would try to subjugate them. Do you honestly think that Seleukeia herself, which was founded by Seleukos Nikator himself would be granted to the Ptolemaioi? How about Antiocheia, named in honour of our king Antiochos. This will not ever happen, as brave Makedonians fought and died for our lands.

It were we who cast out the Galatian invaders and saved the east from the Gallic threat.

It was the combined might of Ptolemaios, Seleukos and Lysimachos who threw down Antiochos Monophtalmos who sought to usurp Babylon, Ekbatana and Susa.

Where was Baktria in all this? Can you answer this?

Also, the way you dare to take the lands of the Nabataean peoples who have lived freely and friendly to the heirs of Alexandros will not be met friendly by those peoples. So, friends, I ask you;

At what will Theodotos stop in his lust for lands? If he does indeed destroys the Arche, which is a laughable idea, he will turn to the Kings of Pontos and Hayasdan next!

Basileos of the great Arche, Let's combine our forces then like we did when Antiochos Monophtalmos tried to usurp the great cities! Let's stop fighting our own Makedonian brothers and close peace and restore order once again to Alexandros' domain! What do you think?

[Hax]

Exalted lord of the Ptolemaioi, I cannot disagree with wise words like those!

Let us reclaim Alexandros' empire. We have all seen in the past that one man governing all will not work. A strong alliance of the heirs of Alexandros will surely unite all the civilized lands under a strong and able rule!

[Subotan]

Do you honestly believe I have any intent of destroying the Ptolemaic empire? Ptolemaios I was a good friend of Megás Alexandros himself, as was Seleukos.

You have fought nigh-constantly for the past 50 years, you with the sole goal of vanquishing the noble Ptolemaioi, as you did to Lysimachos. What makes you think that such enmity will just disappear?

D Furthemore, the way you honestly believe you have the right to divide my empire between Pontos and Hayasdan, who are both my allies which I will gladly support if any foreign power would try to subjugate them.

Hah! If anyone is subjugating, dear Basileus, it is you. You force these noble Shahs to prostrate before you, whether officially or not. I offer them freedom, liberty and rewards.
And I have as much right to divide up an Empire as your grandfather did. Rather than bowing to the one true king, Alexandros Aegos, you betrayed the Grandson of Zeus!

Do you honestly think that Seleukeia herself, which was founded by Seleukos Nikator himself would be granted to the Ptolemaioi? How about Antiocheia, named in honour of our king Antiochos. This will not ever happen, as brave Makedonians fought and died for our lands.

And brave Makedonians will continue to die in your lands until the Arche is destroyed. And what of the names of your cities? Sure, they may have been built by past Emperors, but that would not stop me from gifting them and the land between them to the Ptolemaioi in return for their aid.

It were we who cast out the Galatian invaders and saved the east from the Gallic threat.

It was the combined might of Ptolemaios, Seleukos and Lysimachos who threw down Antiochos Monophtalmos who sought to usurp Babylon, Ekbatana and Susa.

Where was Baktria in all this? Can you answer this?

Yes, we can. The bravest Hellenes of all moved out not to Syria, Mesopotamia, or Persis, but to Baktria. There, for the past 50 years we have toiled against tribes such as the Dahae, Saka and Haomaovarga, defending fellow Hellenes in far off Seleukeia. Whilst you were engaged in petty squabbles and civil cionflicts, we were fighting wars which were deciding the fate of Hellenes everywhere. Did we receive recognition, or gratitude? Not once! How can you claim to have a right to rule us when your ancestors treated us so callously?

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Also, the way you dare to take the lands of the Nabataean peoples who have lived freely and friendly to the heirs of Alexandros will not be met friendly by those peoples. So, friends, I ask you;

Everyone knows that were you given the opportunity, you would snap up those lands in an instant. The incense trade is a valuable one, and one many men desire. Oh, and were we to stop fighting, then controlling those Barbaroi will be easier than outwitting a Galatoi.

At what will Theodotos stop in his lust for lands? If he does indeed destroys the Arche, which is a laughable idea, he will turn to the Kings of Pontos and Hayasdan next!

A fair point I may say, and one which a mind such as yours would easily come to. However, as you can see, in my proposal, my borders touch neither Hayasdan, nor Pontos, making my threat to their lands non-existent. However, the Arche is very close to both Shahdoms, and poses a much more imminent and realistic threat than noble Baktrians ever will.

[Hax]

Hah! If anyone is subjugating, dear Basileus, it is you. You force these noble Shahs to prostrate before you, whether officially or not. I offer them freedom, liberty and rewards.
And I have as much right to divide up an Empire as your grandfather did. Rather than bowing to the one true king, Alexandros Aegos, you betrayed the Grandson of Zeus!

Alexandros Aigos was murdered by Kassandros, who was the king of Macedon. You have forgotten, Theodotos, that it were we who gave you the satrapy of Baktria in the first place.

And brave Makedonians will continue to die in your lands until the Arche is destroyed. And what of the names of your cities? Sure, they may have been built by past Emperors, but that would not stop me from gifting them and the land between them to the Ptolemaioi in return for their aid.

So it is this that is your goal! To destroy the heirs to the largest part of Alexandros' empire. First you spoke of dividing the Arche's lands, leaving Persis to us, and now you speak of destroying us! Dear friends, it now seems Theodotos' goal is sure. You seek only to throw the lands into further growing conflict.

Theodotos, I will send a force to relieve you of your satrapy. Dear friends from Hayasdan and Pontos, this is not a threat to you. I do not seek your thrones, I seek peace and prosperity for all Hellenes.

-Antiochos Soter, vanquisher of the Galatians, friend of Ptolemaios Soter, Basileus tes Seleukeia kai Babylon.

[Subotan]

Alexandros Aigos was murdered by Kassandros, who was the king of Macedon.

But did you protect him? Did you offer your loyalty and soldiers to him? Clearly not, otherwise his son would be Emperor today and I would gladly serve him!

So it is this that is your goal! To destroy the heirs to the largest part of Alexandros' empire. First you spoke of dividing the Arche's lands, leaving Persis to us, and now you speak of destroying us!

That was a misunderstanding. By destroy, I meant destroy the power of the Arche in it's current state, not wipe it from the map. With retrospect, I see my crass error was ill-advised and beg for forgiveness that you will understand that that was not the meaning that was meant to be implied.

Theodotos, I will send a force to relieve you of your satrapy. Dear friends from Hayasdan and Pontos, this is not a threat to you. I do not seek your thrones, I seek peace and prosperity for all Hellenes.

Hah! Look hither! Instead of giving thanks to Baktrians for our valiant defence of Hellenes, in our constant wars against the Amu Darya, in either land, wealth or mere recognition, he has decided that such prowess and courage is a a despicable trait, only carried by the bravest and most skilled Satraps, and that we therefore deserve punishment for our good actions and intentions. Although we are still open to diplomacy, and hope that this Hellenic blood-shedding may be avoided, it appears that nothing can stop this warmonger from his dreams of conquest and oppression.

[Hax]

Your words are rank of hypocrisy, Theodotos. Good actions and intentions? Your plan is to divide my lands and only leave the Arche with the lands of Persis, you even took the word of destroying in your mouth, and now you say that I wish to conquer and oppress the Hellenes of Baktra.

Open to diplomacy? You come at my door and demand that I surrender the good part of my lands, including the riches of Mikras Asias, Seleukeia, built by my father, and Antiocheia, who I raised myself. This is not diplomacy, Theodotos.

However, if you truly do not wish any harm to be brought upon the Hellenes, which I too, would greatly regret, I can give you the cities of Marakanda and Alexandreia "the Furthest". From there, we can look to turn the barbaroi from the north back to the vast plains from whence they came. Ptolemaios and myself have already discussed a peacetreaty to avoid any Hellenic bloodshed in the Levant, and yet you seek to throw the Hellenic lands into turmoil and civil war.

I do not wish your blood, but if you continue to threaten me in such a way, I have no other option but to relieve you of your satrapy. Look at my offer closely, Theodotos.