Hellenistic rulers: conceivable epithets

[Maion Maroneios]

(idru- refers to buildings) I'm missing Euergetes, though.

Not always and Euergetes should be here as well

Maion

[HunGeneral]

I thought on one more possibility: if one of the diadochi kingdoms shloud unite ALL of what Alexadner has conquered the ruler who complited it could be called "the Strongest" ins reference to Alexanders last words. (Would something like that sound accepteable?)

[desert]

Oooh, I know some good ones!

If your FM is a coward and/or flees the battlefield, here are some choice epithets:

Rhipsaspis - shield-tosser

Apobolimaios - thrower-awayer

Tresas - Trembler [As in, he trembles while in formation (I guess)]

[Maion Maroneios]

I thought on one more possibility: if one of the diadochi kingdoms shloud unite ALL of what Alexadner has conquered the ruler who complited it could be called "the Strongest" ins reference to Alexanders last words. (Would something like that sound accepteable?)

That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

Maion

[HunGeneral]

That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

[Macilrille]

If they were Danish/Norwegian/Swedish 8th- 12th Century they could have names such as

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council)
Den Gode (The Good)
Kesje (a special spear of that name)
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action)
Hvide (White/fair)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly)



Those were just on top of my head and some might be relevant to Diadochii rulers as well, but in Greek instead of Danish/Norse.

[Maion Maroneios]

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious) - Nikephoros, or bringer of victory (ΝΙΚΗΦΟΡΟΣ)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair) - Euplokamos (ΕΥΠΛΟΚΑΜΟΣ)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council) - Skleros, or harsh would be fine (ΣΚΛΗΡΟΣ)
Den Gode (The Good) - Agathos (ΑΓΑΘΟΣ)
Kesje (a special spear of that name) - ?
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action) - Gennaios or Andreios (ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ, ΑΝΔΡΕΙΟΣ)
Hvide (White/fair) - Kalos (ΚΑΛΟΣ)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly). - Eumekes (ΕΥΜΗΚΗΣ)

OK, some of them would certainly NOT been used by Hellenistic monarchs, so I've erased them.

Maion

[Βελισάριος]

Maion, I hope you don't feel like we're abusing you, but on behalf of those of us who don't know much Greek, Ευχαριστώ!

What about:
The Defiant
Dauntless/Fearless
Conqueror of the Seas
Unrelenting/Determinate
And, of course, my favourite:
The Invincible
(and, for my curiosity, can you give me the above in female form too?)
Also:
Kinslayer

[Maion Maroneios]

Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

Well, Megas is also a title as well as an epithet, if you get my meaning. It was used by Seleucid kings, yes. But it was also used by the Pahlavans (Shahansablabla something) and other nations, including the Achaemenid Persians.

Maion

[HunGeneral]

I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

Exactly.
Thanks for the translation - I might use it one day

I remembered where I got this Idea of two or a second epithet reserved for one ruler... and I remembered right that it had nothing to do with Hellenes or the timeframe of EB:
It was something like "Great King Attila Scourge of God".
I remember to have heard it several times and that "supposedly" both Epithets are reserved for him, however it was made after his death or in the last years of his life - but I'm not sure.

[Subotan]

What would "The Ginger" be?

[Silence Hunter]

What about "The Regent". There are times when direct heir is still under 16 an thus it's not possible to set him heir. So someone else is acting as a regent.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Thank you very much Maion.

Kinda unrelated but here's the proof for the poor state of unity my empire has slipped into. Blue are the mean, egocentric, greedy criminals that call themselves Nobles, and red are either loyal supporters of the young Basileus Limendas or neutral ones.

[mini]

Pansy should definitely be included.

[machinor]

Demon would probably simply be Daimon as demon is derived from the Greek word, although "daimon" has a far broader meaining then simply "demon".

[Olaf Blackeyes]

When i say restorer i mean like restorer of peace/of empire/of good times for all.

[Tellos Athenaios]

@Maion: 'brutikos'? (As an aside, you are correct: hesperia isn't 'night' rather 'twilight' -> 'evening'.)

A serpent is a drakon, from which, yes, a dragon gets its name. But Serpent does, at least in mythology, not bear the same conotations as it does today; don't think it would be used as an epiteth quite the opposite in fact. (Erichthonios, anyone?)

[Maion Maroneios]

Demon would probably simply be Daimon as demon is derived from the Greek word, although "daimon" has a far broader meaining then simply "demon".

Daimon means 'God' in Ancient Greek, even if it seems correct. You see, later on it got the meaning of 'evil'.

When i say restorer i mean like restorer of peace/of empire/of good times for all.

I'll get back to that

Maion

[machinor]

Yeah, but "daimon" could also mean "soul", als in "eudaimonia" or "daimonion" (Sokrates' word for "conscience"). My Greek teacher explained to us that the "basic meaning" connecting all those different meanings was something like "supernatural force or entities that influences men". This also applied to lesser deities or supernatural beings (the major gods were usually called theoi) like demons etc. That was the reason it was applied to the christian concept of demons, since they also could influence men through possessing them.

However, you state of course correctly, that "daimon" would not really have the same connotation as our christian influenced understanding of "demon".