Hellenistic rulers: conceivable epithets

[desert]

Oooh, I know some good ones!

If your FM is a coward and/or flees the battlefield, here are some choice epithets:

Rhipsaspis - shield-tosser

Apobolimaios - thrower-awayer

Tresas - Trembler [As in, he trembles while in formation (I guess)]

[Maion Maroneios]

I thought on one more possibility: if one of the diadochi kingdoms shloud unite ALL of what Alexadner has conquered the ruler who complited it could be called "the Strongest" ins reference to Alexanders last words. (Would something like that sound accepteable?)

That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

Maion

[HunGeneral]

That's a good idea, but there are tons of epithets that could be given to the Faction Leader of the Diadochoi Kingdom that re-creates Alexandros' old empire. This includes, of course, 'Megas' (The Great) and 'Basileus ton Basileon' (King of Kings).

Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

[Macilrille]

If they were Danish/Norwegian/Swedish 8th- 12th Century they could have names such as

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council)
Den Gode (The Good)
Kesje (a special spear of that name)
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action)
Hvide (White/fair)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly)



Those were just on top of my head and some might be relevant to Diadochii rulers as well, but in Greek instead of Danish/Norse.

[Maion Maroneios]

Youre right about that. However I was thinking of it as a "second epithet". Like Macilrille mentioned Antiochus IV had several epithets.

I might just aswell give an exampel of what I mean since I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly: someting like "Megas (xy-insert name) The srtongest". The last part is reserved for the King who completes the unification and only for him. I can't really remember what gave me the Idea but if I remember I might post it - but I'm quite sure it wasn't greek.

I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

By the way isn't Basileus ton Basileon a title? I believe used by some of the seleukid rulers or am I wrong?

Well, Megas is also a title as well as an epithet, if you get my meaning. It was used by Seleucid kings, yes. But it was also used by the Pahlavans (Shahansablabla something) and other nations, including the Achaemenid Persians.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

Tveskæg (Forkbeard)
Blåtand (Bluetooth, yes that IS where the tech has its name from)
Blodøkse (Bloodaxe)
Sejrssjæl (Victorious Soul- as in ever victorious, NOT pious) - Nikephoros, or bringer of victory (ΝΙΚΗΦΟΡΟΣ)
Hårfager (Longhair/Fairhair) - Euplokamos (ΕΥΠΛΟΚΑΜΟΣ)
Hårderåde (Hard Ruler or Hard Council) - Skleros, or harsh would be fine (ΣΚΛΗΡΟΣ)
Den Gode (The Good) - Agathos (ΑΓΑΘΟΣ)
Kesje (a special spear of that name) - ?
Snare (Fast/mentally eloquent/Brave/First to action) - Gennaios or Andreios (ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ, ΑΝΔΡΕΙΟΣ)
Hvide (White/fair) - Kalos (ΚΑΛΟΣ)
Trylle (The Sorcerer)
Orm i Øje (Snake Eye, sharp/penetrating Glance)
Lodbrog (Hairy Breeches)
Krake (Ladder/Tall and gangly). - Eumekes (ΕΥΜΗΚΗΣ)

OK, some of them would certainly NOT been used by Hellenistic monarchs, so I've erased them.

Maion

[HunGeneral]

I see, so you're looking for somehting like: Megas X ho Dynatotatos, were X represents the guy's name. In stead of Dynatotatos (which is the superlative of Dynatos, which means 'Strong' in Greek), you could use Ischyrotatos.

Exactly.
Thanks for the translation - I might use it one day

I remembered where I got this Idea of two or a second epithet reserved for one ruler... and I remembered right that it had nothing to do with Hellenes or the timeframe of EB:
It was something like "Great King Attila Scourge of God".
I remember to have heard it several times and that "supposedly" both Epithets are reserved for him, however it was made after his death or in the last years of his life - but I'm not sure.

[Βελισάριος]

Maion, I hope you don't feel like we're abusing you, but on behalf of those of us who don't know much Greek, Ευχαριστώ!

What about:
The Defiant
Dauntless/Fearless
Conqueror of the Seas
Unrelenting/Determinate
And, of course, my favourite:
The Invincible
(and, for my curiosity, can you give me the above in female form too?)
Also:
Kinslayer

[Maion Maroneios]

Maion, I hope you don't feel like we're abusing you, but on behalf of those of us who don't know much Greek, Ευχαριστώ!

Certainly not my friend. If you did, I wouldn't be answering now, would I? Anyway, you are most welcome. So Παρακαλώ from me

What about:
The Defiant - Periphronetes (ΠΕΡΙΦΡΟΝΗΤΗΣ)
Dauntless/Fearless - Aphobos (ΑΦΟΒΟΣ)
Conqueror of the Seas - Thalassokrator (ΘΑΛΑΣΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ)
Unrelenting/Determinate - Hypoleptos (ΥΠΟΛΗΠΤΟΣ)
And, of course, my favourite:
The Invincible - Aaptos (musculine) (ΑΑΠΤΟΣ), Aapte (feminine) (ΑΑΠΤΗ) or Athanatos, -e (ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ, -Η)
(and, for my curiosity, can you give me the above in female form too?)
Also:
Kinslayer - Engenoktonos (ΕΝΓΕΝΟΚΤΟΝΟΣ)

Here.

Maion

[ziegenpeter]

Wow, great work Maion!
What about "the EB-Fanboy"?

...just kidding.

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow, great work Maion!

Thank you!

What about "the EB-Fanboy"?

...just kidding.

Maion

[Βελισάριος]

My friend, you are a treat! This is quite productive.

One more thing. If Aaptos is in feminine Aapte, then Hypoleptos would be Hypolepte, and Aphobos- Aphobe, yes? But what about Periphronetes and Thalassokrates?

Oh, and slightly off-topic, playing around with a few words I made up an "epithet" for a Getai ruler (by the way, how would you say "of the Getai" in Greek?). By using a word that is supposedly of Getic origin, I called him Heros per Belauros (which would mean Heros, son of the Dragon).

[Maion Maroneios]

My friend, you are a treat! This is quite productive.

Thanks! It would be good if someone could make a list of it as well

One more thing. If Aaptos is in feminine Aapte, then Hypoleptos would be Hypolepte, and Aphobos- Aphobe, yes? But what about Periphronetes and Thalassokrates?

Correct. The feminine form of the two epithets you mentioned would be Periphronesa and Thalassokrateisa respectively.

Oh, and slightly off-topic, playing around with a few words I made up an "epithet" for a Getai ruler (by the way, how would you say "of the Getai" in Greek?). By using a word that is supposedly of Getic origin, I called him Heros per Belauros (which would mean Heros, son of the Dragon).

"Of the Getai" would be Getikos in Greek. And cool name you 'invented'

Maion

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Wow, this thread is worth its Bytes in Gold I'd say... for little Hellenistic fanboys like us

Could you do some more, please?
the Uniter
the Weak
the Crippled
the Lame
Ironfist (in the sense of "he who vanquishes his foes and never bows to anybody and forces his law on everybody, you know...)

[Yyrkoon]

Bad A$$ Motha F***as!

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow, this thread is worth its Bytes in Gold I'd say... for little Hellenistic fanboys like us

Could you do some more, please?
the Uniter - Henopoios (ΕΝΟΠΟΙΟΣ)
the Weak - Adynamos (ΑΔΥΝΑΜΟΣ)
the Crippled - Apoplektos (ΑΠΟΠΛΗΚΤΟΣ)
the Lame - Anaperos (ΑΝΑΠΗΡΟΣ)
Ironfist - Well, this one is tricky. Keravnos had given an answer for that, saying it would be something like 'Ho echon sideran pygmen' (Ο ΕΧΩΝ ΣΙΔΗΡΑΝ ΠΥΓΜΗΝ) or 'he who has an iron fist' in Greek. Sideropygmaios (ΣΙΔΗΡΟΠΥΓΜΑΙΟΣ), which sounds a lot like it, isn't the same, since 'pygmaios' means 'pigmy'.

Here. Note that last part.

Maion

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words. An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

[Maion Maroneios]

I'm not sure, because I did not check with a dictionary, but it sounds like you have quite a few adjectives consisting of 2 words.

Aha, that's correct... So?

An example would be "Aaptos" (which is A-aptos). Note that these have only 2 diclensions: m/f and n. That is: the masculine form and the feminine form are exactly the same!

I know it's A-aptos. It's from apto (which means touch) and with the a before the word, it means 'untouchable'. In other words, invincible. As for the sane form, I'm not sure about that. I'll have to check it

Maion

[Olaf Blackeyes]

This thread RULES!!!!!!

[Maion Maroneios]

Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

[Tellos Athenaios]

Just checked and apparently you're wrong, Tellos. Aaptos has both a feminine (Aapte), as well as a neutral (Aapton) form. What you say about 2-word adjectives is not true either, since Thalassokrates (2 words, Thalassa or Sea and Krato, or Rule) is an adjective that is clearly masculine and has a feminine form as well.

Maion

Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing.

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

[Subotan]

What would "The Ginger" be?

[Silence Hunter]

What about "The Regent". There are times when direct heir is still under 16 an thus it's not possible to set him heir. So someone else is acting as a regent.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Thank you very much Maion.

Kinda unrelated but here's the proof for the poor state of unity my empire has slipped into. Blue are the mean, egocentric, greedy criminals that call themselves Nobles, and red are either loyal supporters of the young Basileus Limendas or neutral ones.

[SwissBarbar]

awesome map! what's that orangy thing in the south of egypt and arabia, next to the sabean, the KH? or did you recolour the ptolies?

[A Very Super Market]

Umm... what does that map show? I don't really understand it..

Have I missed some special AAR you've done?

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

awesome map! what's that orangy thing in the south of egypt and arabia, next to the sabean, the KH? or did you recolour the ptolies?

The orange one is the Kingdom of Axum, ex Phoinikes, ex Kart-Hadastim. I gave them Tamane in my quest to wipe the Sabaens out.

Umm... what does that map show? I don't really understand it..

Have I missed some special AAR you've done?

The map shows the minimap in my EB game. Check out my AAR when it comes out (perhaps).

[antisocialmunky]

Ο μόνος εούρησε μεθυσμένος

[Maion Maroneios]

Uhh: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...Aentry%3D%2319

Ah, thanks for that one. I've got another one of Perseus, though this one seems more detailed

In the case of "aaptos" Perseus' copy of LSJ would disagree with you. Note that this is the only entry to be found for the query "aapt", so that means any exceptional case is pretty much that: exceptional beyond inclusion in an academy-grade dictionary. (Perseus has both Authenrieth (IIRC a Homer specialist work) and Slater too.) Or have you been using a modern Greek dictionary? In which, consider that grammar, especially this kind of grammar isn't a 2300 year old hand-me-down thing.

Nah, I'm not using a modern Greek dictionary. I have been taught some basic Ancient Greek at school (Atiic, of course) and I use either my school dictionaries, or on-line ones (more offen). What you say about the grammar is true, Greek (especially Ancient) can be tricky at times Note that I'm more of the match guy (hence I study Physics) than the theoretical one.

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule I mentioned in my previous post (apeiros/hpeiros would be one) but that is because those words are exceptional to begin with; i.e. they represent an entity or quality of their own rather than an aggregrate (consider how you might alternatively translate these adjectives using patches like 'not'; 'strongly'; 'well'; 'fully'). EDIT2: And of course there are those (numerous!) exceptions which are just plain irregular; which is why one should check with a good/exhaustive dictionary and which is why I said I wasn't sure....

Aha... Yeah...

EDIT: Ooh and please distinguish between adjectives and nouns. Adjective even when used as nouns are subject to the rule; but 'true' (proper?) nouns are not neccesarily.

Yeah, sorry about that one. I'll sure distinguish them from each other henceforth

Thanks again for the info, Tellos.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

What would "The Ginger" be?

OK, but I need you to tell me the meaning of the sentence. I mean, there are quite a few meanings of it.

What about "The Regent". There are times when direct heir is still under 16 an thus it's not possible to set him heir. So someone else is acting as a regent.

That would be Antibasileus (short form), or Anti autou Basileus (long form). That literally means, 'In stead of the King'.

Ο μόνος εούρησε μεθυσμένος

For those that do not know what this means: 'Alone he urinated, while being drunk'

Maion

P.S.: You're most welcome, Centurio. Cool map btw, and good luck with your civil war