Hellenistic rulers: conceivable epithets

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 02-02-2009, 21:29

Well, there is the "Periegesis Aithiopion Hesperion", that's why I thought that. The Greeks knew America???

Thank you very much Maion.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 02-02-2009, 22:37

I don't think so. But the mythological theme of a distant country separated from the rest of the world by a non-trivial barrier (mountains, deserts, seas) is quite common (the Chinese have their stories about such a country in their West; the Christians later had a story about a certain Presbyterian John somewhere too...) . Anyway back to this 'Hesperia' (night) country, IIRC it is the topos of one of the 12 tasks (if I am not mistaken, the one in which Herakles must fetch apples from the tree given to Hera as a wedding present).

**Maion Maroneios** · 02-03-2009, 00:10

Well, you might not think so but I won't go in debate with you (or anyone for that matter) about this topic. As for Hesperia, it means afternoon. Night is Nyx. What you said about the Heracles-thing is true though.

Maion

**Βελισάριος** · 02-18-2009, 04:17

Ok, so... if lion is Leon, then "The Lion" would be... ?
And what about: The Bull, The Gryphon? The Serpent?

**Olaf Blackeyes** · 02-18-2009, 05:46

Umm what about
1.the demon?
2.the bringer of death?
3.The Greek word for America?
4.the colored/rainbowed one?
5.the restorer?
6.the insane?

**Maion Maroneios** · 02-18-2009, 11:13

Originally Posted by Burebista

Ok, so... if lion is Leon, then "The Lion" would be... ?
And what about: The Bull, The Gryphon? The Serpent?

The Lion would be Leon. Plain, no added stuff. As for Serpent, that would probably be Echydna. Don't know about Gryphon. Anyway, none of them would be used as an epithet for a ruler, mind you. Too fantasy-style if you get me.

Originally Posted by Olaf Blackeyes

Umm what about
1.the demon - Not very sure about that one
2.the bringer of death - You are very into dark stuff aren't you?

Anyway, Aggeliaphoros Thanatou (Messenger of Death) or Thanatophoros
3.The Greek word for America - Esperia
4.the colored/rainbowed one - Polychrous (many-colored) could probably work.
5.the restorer - Could you make this more specific?
6.the insane? - Epimanes

Maion

**Maion Maroneios** · 02-18-2009, 11:16

A small thing I remembered: I don't actually know how the Hellenes called beer (today we call it Mpira), but it has probably something to do with zythos. I'll be back on this one if someone doesn't answer this.

Maion