The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.

Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.

Well, at least the discussion is proving fruitful. I agree the "tincown" and "change we can believe him" are likely intentional (the latter because it is repeated twice). However, "had accused shlin28 of" and "lied on the ground" seem to be careless errors to me, particularly the latter. Those are the kinds of writing errors that are difficult to disguise, because often the writer is not even aware that they are wrong. You can't fake a particular part of your writing if you aren't aware of what characterizes that writing in the first place. Those mistakes tend to occur in people for whom English is a second language or primary language speakers who are young and still learning, such as teenagers.

I am by no means so foolish as to think that my conclusions are completely correct, nor that I have miraculously identified a mafioso right off the bat. I am simply trying to sift through the available evidence to look for clues. Calling this a "vendetta" against Beefy is excessive, IMO. The odds are certainly high that he is innocent, but he's the best I can come up with at the moment, and I haven't yet seen another argument in this thread that has any weight behind it (barring that recently made against Seamus). If it makes you feel any better, I also considered you as an alternative to Beefy, but I then discounted you based on patterns of punctuation in other threads. Punctuation habits are also difficult to disguise.

[TinCow]

The first write-up. There seems to be a number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. However, and this has been raised previously, there seems no obvious reason why someone could spell Tincow, with an n on the end.

Looking into this more, it could be unintentional. The phrase was "Tincown had." N is directly above the space bar. It is also directly below H, which was the next letter used after the space. A person typing fast could have hit both N and space with their right thumb, or with their right index finger while trying to hit H. The former is more likely due to timing issues.

[Thermal]

I too thought that i would be another of your suspects with this theory, though English is my first language I'm still prone to making typing errors, punctuation wise i have a terrible habit of using commas in excess, overall seeing as there were parts like the 'lied on the ground' which i didn't point out as well as the fact you have reassured me this is quite close to a random vote, I will not question you any further for now.

[Jolt]

At this time with no clues at all, I'll just have to trust my instinct (Meaning, voting at random.)

Vote: Abstain

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Boudica:

You pose a reasonable question.

I had not put much emphasis on the typos because those mistakes may or may not have any significance. Were they the result of poor translation? I think not. Babelfish and other such programs are pretty clean as to spelling and our "foreign" speaker would be cutting and pasting.

If, however, someone were referring back to earlier posts from memory, moving quickly, and using the Cntrl C, Cntrl V system to do exact repeats of a thematic line, then a mistake made in typing the first instance (see Tincow above for example of how) would be repeated easily.

Moreover, we all read our own material AS WE THINK IT and not necessarily as it is printed on the page. That's why I always used to advise my students to get somebody else to do an edit of their papers -- they'll pick up mistakes that you literally cannot perceive because you perceive what you assume is there. So it is very possible that it is just a missed typo or two.

So, absent a writing style, tone, or word choice that indicates an "English is my 2nd or 3rd language and why can't you Yanks be bothered to learn anything but English" type is the writer, I'm not prepared to speculate. Tincow's original effort is noble, and a good tool, but a bit premature.


Placing too much emphasis on the Day One vote is a potential trap.

Mafiosi would certainly like one of them to get the nod, but actively campaigning for it is too high profile. Conventional wisdom would suggest that being low profile is a better choice. Mafiosi know this, so one might go high profile and campaign just to indicate they couldn't be a mafioso...WIFOM central from there.

Considered in the light of subsequent votes and murders, there may be some useful data there.

Sadly, absent a detective making a quick discovery or two and revealing, winnowing out the wheat from the chaff will involve a harrowing of the town for a few rounds -- the calculus of mafia.

[Jolt]

shlin, this is the coolest method of execution ever (Shameless ripped off from Oblivion: Shivering Islands, when you attack the ruler of the place, named Sheogorath)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bol...eature=related

[shlin28]

Currently looking through election period posts to see suspcious people, although most of them are jokey posts so they are not gonan provide much. I'll also take a look at the old Godfather threads too.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero

To add to the pain of Everton winning the derby.

Unvote: abstain
Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Pure retaliation vote...

We shall see at the end of the season, those who laughs last laughs the hardest... and the longest.

[shlin28]

Contrary to my previous post, my semi-detailed rereading revealed nothing

However, it did got me thinking, since there is 3 mafia, its gonna be pretty much definite that the Godfather would attempt to become the CoP (henchmen would be investigated by the detective if one of them became CoP). Obvious I'm not the Godfather, so some of the top contenders/self-voters for the CoP must have a slightly better chance of being the Godfather than any old townie.

*Walks off into his royal lair*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

Give me a bit longer than usual for the execution.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We have a four-way tie between Sasaki, Ichigo, Andres, and Seamus.

(Sasaki never unvoted TinCow when he voted for Ichigo. I'm going to be a stickler about this. )

Voting is re-opened for one hour. You can keep voting for whoever you like.

[ULC]

Vote: Sasaki

Just reinforcing my suspicions, although I am a bit confused - is the vote a runoff or is it a vote all over again?

[TinCow]

If you have a full tally, can you post it? I'll shift my vote to get this decided, but I don't want any of those four lynched at the moment. Knowing the proper tally would help.

[Andres]

Vote: Sasaki

I can be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you already voted Sasaki.

EDIT: yep, you did, right here.

[ULC]

I can be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you already voted Sasaki.

True - however, I was a bit confused, and still am. However-

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Seamus

if this is just a run off, then Seamus is dead - if it's a revote, then I will change my vote back to Sasaki.

[shlin28]

Why? Why does this make a differencE?

[Andres]

I think GH meant we have 1 hour to keep voting for whoever we want. Including you, Mister YLC

[TinCow]

True - however, I was a bit confused, and still am. However-

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Seamus

if this is just a run off, then Seamus is dead - if it's a revote, then I will change my vote back to Sasaki.

Uh, what?

Just a couple posts up, when you thought it was a re-vote, you wanted Sasaki lynched. Then when you thought it was a run-off, you wanted Seamus lynched. Care to explain this?

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is not a re-vote. This is a continuation of voting.

Tally at the time I posted the tie (not accounting for any changes since then):

Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, YLC)
Ichigo: 2 (taka, Sigurd)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Seamus Fermanagh: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

The following people have one vote each:
TinCow (Sasaki Kojiro)
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
glyphz (777Ares777)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)

Abstained: 6 (shlin28, Seamus Fermanagh, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)

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For the record, I won't be online at the time voting closes again but I will still not accept any voting after that. In addition, I'll start taking PMs at that time as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote:Tincow

Vote:Ichigo

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Uh, what?

Just a couple posts up, when you thought it was a re-vote, you wanted Sasaki lynched. Then when you thought it was a run-off, you wanted Seamus lynched. Care to explain this?

Looks like he wanted to end voting quickly if it was a one-vote and lynch situation.

[Thermal]

Only i try to save myself that much, you msut be hiding something to want to be alive this much

unvote
vote: sasaki kojiro

[TinCow]

Thanks for the tally GH. After reviewing it, I will not be changing my vote. I'm sticking with my grammar-based voting for this round at least and after a quick review, none of the other people with votes seem to fit my profile.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: YLC

Its more than a little hinky that you are so rapidly shifting your vote in the renewed vote phase. As Tincow notes, it doesn't make a lot of sense -- unless you're trying for a quick kill to thin the ranks of those hunting you.

Tally as of post 294

Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)

Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, 777Ares777)

The following people have one vote each:

shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)


Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)

[ULC]

Indeed, if it was a vote off, then I would quickly vote to kill whom I thought was suspicious. This is based off the logic that-

A) Few people appeared online, so I took matters into my own hands,
B) Mafia tend to pay more attention and are more active when it counts
C) This would be an easy time to insure that the mafia are able to slip in a vote to protect themselves
D) I thought it was vote off at first

Ichigo has not been on for awhile - he has not even looked at his role PM I have sent him which is date stamped 10:53 yesterday.

Andres does not feel scummy to me

Seamus on the other hand has my little voice going mad, so Seamus is something, and I doubt it's good for the town. I also suspect for the comment made about him by Sasaki.

Sasaki however, makes me interested, because he and Lord Winter invented something to argue over.

Lord Winters Initial Post

Sasaki's Response - which also leads into why I am suspect of Seamus

My response afterward that was ignored

[Thermal]

What amazes me is your all ignoring his obvious self preservation vote, something that has got me into serious trouble previously, at least question it!

[Quintus.JC]

Nothing wrong with self-preservation, especially at this stage.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seamus's post #294 is the last valid vote.

Stand by.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We have a tie vote between Ichigo and Seamus.

All other votes are thrown out; this time there will be a re-vote.

The re-vote will last slightly less than 24 hours, closing at 14:00 EST (GMT -5).

Tally:

Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki Kojiro)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Andres, 777Ares777)


The following people have one vote each:
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
YLC (Seamus Fermanagh)

Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)

[Reenk Roink]

3-way tie vote between Sasaki, Ichigo, and Seamus.

All other votes are thrown out; this time there will be a re-vote.

The re-vote will last slightly less than 24 hours, closing at 14:00 EST (GMT -5).

Tally:

Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Andres, YLC, 777Ares777)
Ichigo: 3 (taka, Sigurd, Sasaki Kojiro)
Seamus Fermanagh: 3 (Lord Winter, boudica, YLC)
Andres: 2 (TevashSzat, Chaotix27)

The following people have one vote each:
shlin28 (seireikhaan)
187Beefyz (TinCow)
Chaotix27 (glyphz)
Askthepizzaguy (187Beefyz)
Ignoramus (Rythmic)
Quintus.JC (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Quintus.JC)
YLC (Seamus Fermanagh)

Abstained: 5 (shlin28, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, Jolt)

You have YLC voting twice for Sasaki and Seamus (I think his last was Seamus).