The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Would you perhaps swear to me that you aren't mafia? In a sentence like "I swear that I am not a mafioso"

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oh, and make sure you get the capitalization right

[Beefy187]

Would you perhaps swear to me that you aren't mafia? In a sentence like "I swear that I am not a mafioso"

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oh, and make sure you get the capitalization right

mind you.. last time we tried that "truth" thing, CR found a loop hole and managed to fool us all

[Sasaki Kojiro]

mind you.. last time we tried that "truth" thing, CR found a loop hole and managed to fool us all

Funny story eh?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok I'm curious. Anyone have a link so I can be in on the joke?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Mafia VII.

It's >1400 posts, and I don't feel like looking for the exact one.

But basically CR, known for his reputation of being a truthteller, said he was not "mafia" and not "Mafia" to get by them asking him for his role (or lack, thereof). He was mafia (or Mafia).

[Beefy187]

Funny story eh?

"Truth" only works because CR built the reputation of not lying. ATPG swearing means nothing and even if it does he can still find his loop hole

But I do like honest peoples. They make my life more cheerful and bright until I find out that they betrayed me after all.. Cough Gaius..Cough!

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Truth" only works because CR built the reputation of not lying. ATPG swearing means nothing and even if it does he can still find his loop hole

But I do like honest peoples. They make my life more cheerful and bright until I find out that they betrayed me after all.. Cough Gaius..Cough!

Ah, but that's just it... track record alone means nothing.

More yakking:

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I had a track record of being super townie and would side with them no matter what. Then, when offered the choice to be town of mafia in "You Can't Win", I chose mafia, and gambled on my reputation as being pro-town that no one would suspect my neutral aligned character went bad. Quintus.JC believed me.

Anyone can break with tradition. That's why, if I were banking on my reputation alone here, this would be a bad move. I lie, and I love to lie. Crafting a fantastically believable lie is part of the fun of mafia. But, some things are scummy no matter what, and some things aren't scummy, or if they are scummy are inherently bad for the mafia.

If I do this as mafia, I would lose. If I do this as townie, and the message is heard, we win. If the mafia get the hint and start to bluff, doing this tactic, chances are they will die a foolish death. It's a win/win/win scenario. And when this fails, and you lynch me, and there's two murders still, I win again, and proven a point at the same time.

It's never been done before and it has a really bad chance of succeeding if it's a scum move, so maybe the benefit of the doubt this time coupled with Occam's razor and a little bit of deductive reasoning and playing the odds? That's what I'm asking for.


It's now 1:22 past when I was going to leave, and as delightful as the theoretical discussion is, I concede that prolonging it will be distracting, and nothing I say or do at this point will be further helpful nor will it further clear me, it will be counter-productive.

We'll see if I survive the night, and the next day, and I'll be back to open my big cake hole when I return. All I ask is that you either ignore the entirety of what I am saying, chalk it up to me being me and not read it (too much to read) or you do the work and read it, reason it out, and draw a conclusion.

What I hate is the lazy glances at the wall o' text and therefore declare it equals scum, because that's me, always.

Wall o text hiding in spoilers.

[Beefy187]

Ah, but that's just it... track record alone means nothing.

More yakking:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I had a track record of being super townie and would side with them no matter what. Then, when offered the choice to be town of mafia in "You Can't Win", I chose mafia, and gambled on my reputation as being pro-town that no one would suspect my neutral aligned character went bad. Quintus.JC believed me.

Anyone can break with tradition. That's why, if I were banking on my reputation alone here, this would be a bad move. I lie, and I love to lie. Crafting a fantastically believable lie is part of the fun of mafia. But, some things are scummy no matter what, and some things aren't scummy, or if they are scummy are inherently bad for the mafia.

If I do this as mafia, I would lose. If I do this as townie, and the message is heard, we win. If the mafia get the hint and start to bluff, doing this tactic, chances are they will die a foolish death. It's a win/win/win scenario. And when this fails, and you lynch me, and there's two murders still, I win again, and proven a point at the same time.

It's never been done before and it has a really bad chance of succeeding if it's a scum move, so maybe the benefit of the doubt this time coupled with Occam's razor and a little bit of deductive reasoning and playing the odds? That's what I'm asking for.


It's now 1:22 past when I was going to leave, and as delightful as the theoretical discussion is, I concede that prolonging it will be distracting, and nothing I say or do at this point will be further helpful nor will it further clear me, it will be counter-productive.

We'll see if I survive the night, and the next day, and I'll be back to open my big cake hole when I return. All I ask is that you either ignore the entirety of what I am saying, chalk it up to me being me and not read it (too much to read) or you do the work and read it, reason it out, and draw a conclusion.

What I hate is the lazy glances at the wall o' text and therefore declare it equals scum, because that's me, always.

Wall o text hiding in spoilers.

Scum

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Were you expecting a clown? Well no. ATPG is a scum and heres the proof

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[TinCow]

Egads, yet another game in which ATPG destroys all conversation just to focus attention on himself. Seriously, this is getting tiresome.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Through my actions, and by planting myself intentionally on this course towards sure self-destruction, I already have sworn to you that I am not a mafia.

Saying so will prove nothing, actions speak louder. But if you need to hear the words, for whatever reason:

I swear I am not mafia. I swear I am a townie. I swear I have no role. You will be just fine if I die. You will do better if I do not. You will do better if mafia is forced to kill me. That is why I am trying to be removed from the suspect list... mafia will have no choice but to kill me.

I am betting they don't want me, with my big inquisitive mouth, my vote, and my analysis system, to remain an active part of the game in the final stages. I need to die before then for them to have a better chance of victory. And in doing so, they waste a kill on a non-detective and give me a free hand to persecute them.

Darned if you do... darned if you don't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I swear that I am not a mafioso.

I want to make sure I repeated it verbatim.