The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Funny story eh?

"Truth" only works because CR built the reputation of not lying. ATPG swearing means nothing and even if it does he can still find his loop hole

But I do like honest peoples. They make my life more cheerful and bright until I find out that they betrayed me after all.. Cough Gaius..Cough!

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Truth" only works because CR built the reputation of not lying. ATPG swearing means nothing and even if it does he can still find his loop hole

But I do like honest peoples. They make my life more cheerful and bright until I find out that they betrayed me after all.. Cough Gaius..Cough!

Ah, but that's just it... track record alone means nothing.

More yakking:

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I had a track record of being super townie and would side with them no matter what. Then, when offered the choice to be town of mafia in "You Can't Win", I chose mafia, and gambled on my reputation as being pro-town that no one would suspect my neutral aligned character went bad. Quintus.JC believed me.

Anyone can break with tradition. That's why, if I were banking on my reputation alone here, this would be a bad move. I lie, and I love to lie. Crafting a fantastically believable lie is part of the fun of mafia. But, some things are scummy no matter what, and some things aren't scummy, or if they are scummy are inherently bad for the mafia.

If I do this as mafia, I would lose. If I do this as townie, and the message is heard, we win. If the mafia get the hint and start to bluff, doing this tactic, chances are they will die a foolish death. It's a win/win/win scenario. And when this fails, and you lynch me, and there's two murders still, I win again, and proven a point at the same time.

It's never been done before and it has a really bad chance of succeeding if it's a scum move, so maybe the benefit of the doubt this time coupled with Occam's razor and a little bit of deductive reasoning and playing the odds? That's what I'm asking for.


It's now 1:22 past when I was going to leave, and as delightful as the theoretical discussion is, I concede that prolonging it will be distracting, and nothing I say or do at this point will be further helpful nor will it further clear me, it will be counter-productive.

We'll see if I survive the night, and the next day, and I'll be back to open my big cake hole when I return. All I ask is that you either ignore the entirety of what I am saying, chalk it up to me being me and not read it (too much to read) or you do the work and read it, reason it out, and draw a conclusion.

What I hate is the lazy glances at the wall o' text and therefore declare it equals scum, because that's me, always.

Wall o text hiding in spoilers.

[Beefy187]

Ah, but that's just it... track record alone means nothing.

More yakking:

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I had a track record of being super townie and would side with them no matter what. Then, when offered the choice to be town of mafia in "You Can't Win", I chose mafia, and gambled on my reputation as being pro-town that no one would suspect my neutral aligned character went bad. Quintus.JC believed me.

Anyone can break with tradition. That's why, if I were banking on my reputation alone here, this would be a bad move. I lie, and I love to lie. Crafting a fantastically believable lie is part of the fun of mafia. But, some things are scummy no matter what, and some things aren't scummy, or if they are scummy are inherently bad for the mafia.

If I do this as mafia, I would lose. If I do this as townie, and the message is heard, we win. If the mafia get the hint and start to bluff, doing this tactic, chances are they will die a foolish death. It's a win/win/win scenario. And when this fails, and you lynch me, and there's two murders still, I win again, and proven a point at the same time.

It's never been done before and it has a really bad chance of succeeding if it's a scum move, so maybe the benefit of the doubt this time coupled with Occam's razor and a little bit of deductive reasoning and playing the odds? That's what I'm asking for.


It's now 1:22 past when I was going to leave, and as delightful as the theoretical discussion is, I concede that prolonging it will be distracting, and nothing I say or do at this point will be further helpful nor will it further clear me, it will be counter-productive.

We'll see if I survive the night, and the next day, and I'll be back to open my big cake hole when I return. All I ask is that you either ignore the entirety of what I am saying, chalk it up to me being me and not read it (too much to read) or you do the work and read it, reason it out, and draw a conclusion.

What I hate is the lazy glances at the wall o' text and therefore declare it equals scum, because that's me, always.

Wall o text hiding in spoilers.

Scum

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Were you expecting a clown? Well no. ATPG is a scum and heres the proof

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[TinCow]

Egads, yet another game in which ATPG destroys all conversation just to focus attention on himself. Seriously, this is getting tiresome.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

OK, I'm back the next afternoon as I said I would be. Even though a number of people have made statements supporting me I feel it would be fair to answer ATPG's case against me in one post. His major points: I'm not posting often enough; my posts are longwinded but essentially inconclusive; my disappearance last night was staged; my posts sound 'forced' and 'fertilised'; and my pick-up of my kill description being lifted was 'too convenient'. I believe that is all at this stage, but please correct me if I am wrong.

Firstly, to the accusation that I am not posting enough. Essentially you are saying that I am lurking, which would be a false assertion. I turn up, at least once a day, post my thoughts on the kill write-ups and on the major talking points of the day/night, and then vote. Yes my votes have been seemingly random, that is in the absence of any hard evidence. I'm posting enough to have caught your attention with my posts, therefore I am posting sufficiently often. Are you arguing that my behaviour is impeding the Town's efforts to find the mafia? If so say that, and stop being vague.

ATPG claims my 'analyses are hollow'. They are speculations and musings at this early stage. As I said yesterday would you prefer I said nothing? I'm not expecting to turn up a mafioso with my observations, but it makes sense to make note of any inconsistencies, because later on when there is more information, and more inconsistencies we will be able to see what has already been recorded. It is also claimed that I conclude nothing. I answer that it is dangerous to draw conclusions from too little information, hence why my musings are so loosely relevant.

To the calls that my disappearance was staged, I assert that even as I posted my thoughts on the previous day, I specifically said that I had a football game. This, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury was before ATPG even confronted me. I did stick around longer than I should have and was almost late. You will be pleased to know that despite this setback my team won through to the semi-finals and avoided drawing the only undefeated team in the league. ATPG tried to illustrate that I didn't care about this game. That is a mistake. I enjoy my sport certainly, and play 5 days a week, and it is true that I am also working full-time while I am off university, but as I have noted before I make my effort to come online every day and contribute my thoughts.

ATPG believes that my posts sound 'fertilised'. I have no idea whether this is true or not, however I don't believe that I am posting in a way any different to that which I usually do. I'm certainly not spending any more time than usual on my choice of words... I can't prove anything in this regard but neither can ATPG.

Finally, ATPG claims that it rather convenient that I managed to spot my own kill description and bring it to our attention. Do you really think so little of me that I would draw attention to myself in such a high-profile way when I had been out of the spotlight, were I a mafioso? Someone, I believe it was Beefy, also pointed out that I would only have about 4 to choose from. It is certainly unlikely that someone is attempting to do more than disguise their own writing style, so how would it benefit me as a mafioso to bring attention to my own writing?

I trust, ladies and gentlemen of the jury that I have not bored you to my with my defence. Good day to you....

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And Beefy, just for the record, I never actually denied being mafia, it just never came up...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Kojiro-san tried that as a tactic for a while, but then shifted away. He's still active, but not frenetic. Pizza is frenetic.

Sasaki:

To the extent that this means anything {limited}, Pizza is usually a very heavy poster in mafia games. I'd have to do a post count, but I believe we'd find he's slightly less active when mafia than when town.

[Beefy187]

@Gaius

Well im "gullible" (Quote: Gaius 08) after all

Just so the same thing doesn't happen again... Are you a cold hearted killer Gaius?

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@ Seamus

You seem to be correct. Look at Teddy Snatcher. He single handedly made half the post in the entire thread and he turned out to be innocent.

[White_eyes:D]

@ Seamus

You seem to be correct. Look at Teddy Snatcher. He single handedly made half the post in the entire thread and he turned out to be innocent.

I know.....and we lost because he was always looking at what the Mafia's(Khaan) said If only you had lynched me when you had the chance.... in the "Teddy bear Snatcher" but instead you over-analyzed Khaan and my name came-up twice mentioned...."whoops WE is guilty" and we only had one round left....and the same thing happened with TinCow in "Chicago soiree" which was quite a lurker victory....(I will never redeem myself for that....) I think you were quite sure TinCow was Mafia in that one as well (even lynching yourself).....

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

@ Beefy: The one occaision I have indulged I've killed with a smile and 'shame that I have to do this'... Make of that what you will.

Also, just to make it clear that I don't think that ATPG is guilty, and I certainly don't find his mammoth post count suspicious, I merely know that he is mistaken on the matter of my guilt.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To the extent that this means anything {limited}, Pizza is usually a very heavy poster in mafia games. I'd have to do a post count, but I believe we'd find he's slightly less active when mafia than when town.

I believe so. Seriously, what I am doing, annoying though it may be, as TinCow has pointed out, focuses the discussion on myself.

A suicidal maneuver as a mafia, to be sure. I won't continue with that line of thought today, I feel I exhaustively made my point and will be a little less long winded now that it's out of the way.

I also know me yakking takes away some fun for some people, and as such, I will try to bring it down. I just needed to make my play for this game, which was to try and un-incriminate myself so we can move on to other suspects. I did wait until Chaotix suggested I was scum to do so, but I needed to do it eventually.

Still reading.



I will have to do something about the above, I don't need a big scumtell on myself that everyone knows. Pulling back my posts when townie should do it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Also, just to make it clear that I don't think that ATPG is guilty, and I certainly don't find his mammoth post count suspicious, I merely know that he is mistaken on the matter of my guilt.

Fair enough. I believe you addressed my concerns in a reasonable enough manner. I can't continue to whip eggs at someone when they keep sliding off.

Maybe I shouldn't boil them so much...

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ATPG - you're asking for mafia to kill you and constantly claiming that people are going to lynch you anyway. If I were alive I'd vote for you as I think you're making it easier for mafia.

Your inquisition is great for town, but leave some room between your posts for other people to say something constructive/ incriminate themselves.

Say for instance that every game you play as town you spam the board in order to prove your innocence. At some point when you ARE mafia, it would be a rational strategy to spam the board in order to prove your innocence - that's why I'd vote to lynch you every time you play this way.

Ah, but Boudica, that's a bad reason to vote someone.

A lot of people suggest the same thing about YLC in games I've been in, and he's been mostly innocent. Whether myself and YLC grate on people's nerves or not, or have big discussions or not, the point is to lynch mafia.

And I consider it a matter of opinion whether it's good for town or not, as I've pointed out repeatedly, you can simply ignore my posts and scroll down. I am not taking away opportunities for other people to speak when I do. It's not like we are all sitting together in a room and only one person has the floor, we can have several discussions at once.

That being said, while it suits me to talk as it gives me clues based on people's reactions to me, I understand and it's been suggested that I'm making the game less fun for people, and at the end of the day that's more important than winning I suppose. So, I'm going to seriously start spoilering what I say if it's more than a brief thing, or if it's a conversation.

Out of courtesy and respect for others.

And because of the reason you suggested above, I wouldn't do this as a mafia. It does mean my death, especially if it annoys people. I couldn't find a way to make myself more of a target, and less popular, to the point where people want me dead whether I'm mafia or not.

And that's precisely my point. Chaining myself to the railroad tracks as a train is coming, the equivalent of what I did earlier, is not good mafia play. I'm going to drop it, but you must see my point. And it isn't all about me, and that's another reason why I'm dropping it.

Askthepizzaguy 82 5.85 Ephesus (twn) 4.6 Chicago (twn) 7.19 Fillet (P-twn) 3.24 promo (maf) 3.79

Thank you. Now I know what I have to work on, and that should semi-clear me here.

People like atpg and ylc make me wish I had a vigilante role... Mafia is more fun if you treat it as a communal effort, trust me.

Point taken.

Vote: YLC

Ignoramus is lurking badly, if my quick read-through serves. I will recheck, but I am wondering why more isn't made out of that.

I'll also do a tally if it's helpful. I gotta make up for being annoying somehow.