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    Mafia Quicktopic:

    http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/GvCSFhMJF6JEk

    I must say, it was great for fast host/mafia communication. I think all future hosts should request access to all in-game Quicktopics to make things run smoother.
    I love the smell of vindication in the morning...

    Interesting read, my favorite is how ya'll thought Reenk was the mafia mastermind

    I have to say though, well played. Beefy's choice to vote tevash was a tough call, but as I said when I talked about it before I had been sure atpg was headed for a lynch as well. The decision to reveal might not have been the best, it dooms you to a lynch and tevash had a decent chance of surviving. All came tumbling down in the end but it was awfully close.

    Edit: Also, kudos to lord winter for coming back near the end of the game and showing off his townie side. It helped cement tevash as mafia which helped point to beefy and white_eyes.

    Oh and one more thing:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    About half an hour to the deadline...only so many times you can self protect before it bites you in the back. Still the right play though.

    Unvote:Lord Winter
    Vote:Beefy
    VOTING TO SAVE YOURSELF IS THE RIGHT MOVE AS TOWN
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    Sasaki = Legend.

    I'm glad that we had so many excellent players in this game. This game was awesome on every level. Writeups were excellent, hosting was excellent, setup was excellent, the mafia were excellent, and everyone in town got a shot at killing the Godfather. Wow.

    Best game of 2009 candidate, and by the end of the year, it still will be.


    EDIT:
    VOTING TO SAVE YOURSELF IS THE RIGHT MOVE AS TOWN
    ABSOLUTELY. It's not a certain mafia tell, fellows. Listen to Sasaki.
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    Behold!! The wall of text!! In beef flavor!! (Gibberish!)

    Alright. Since GH said his going to take a while for his write up, heres my thoughts.

    Firstly, thank you White_eyes and Tevash. I couldn't have gone this far with out both of you. Big hug for both of you

    I remember someone using tree in the forest quote. My plan was to SPAM SPAM SPAM with all the WIFOM and so it will confuse the hell out of the town and it did work to some extent. I counted on people to pardon silly Beefical behavior.

    I regret the early game when I was almost lynched. I thought the victory was impossible when I got chosen as the God Father but I thought surviving long as I could is my duty. My grunts were quick to back me up, and I managed to get few peoples trust with a risky play.

    While people could argue about Reenks behavior, constantly being scummy and all, Reenk always scared the crap out of me at least, and I believe scared my crew as well. When Reenk updated his title to "defender of Beefy" I thought he already knew that I'm the God Father. He always backed me up when needed, and White_eyes suggested that Reenk could have the Master mind role. That gave me some comfort but I never had the guts to push for Reenk lynch when I could've as I was paranoid about Reenk having "insta pawn God Father role" of some kind. Congratulations to Reenk for spooking me out of having mystical super role, where you were just a plain old townie.

    To get a success without lurking, I got in contact with few players. When Gaius first contacted me, I reminded him about how he betrayed me in one of GHs mafia, hoping that would get him to trust me slightly. I initiated mutual alliance with taka which I managed to get a almost complete trust until the final few rounds and approached close to ATPG when I discovered that I passed his first skynet analysis.

    Things were going well for me. I managed to completely slip out of the rader through out mid game and end game, none of my grunts were suspected, at this stage I finally saw a possibility of me actually winning this game.

    That changed when one of my grunt Tevash got in the way of Pizza Lord. As we accidentally forgot to send in one of the kill orders which incriminated Lord Winter, I thought of the possibility of sacrificing Tevash, campaign that "Tevash was killed but we still have same old write up.. Tevash must've been innocent.. Lynch Pizza guy!"
    But White_eyes and Tevash protested and asked me to support Tevash. Thus my awkward behavior on Tevash case.

    ATPG was a useful asset for me. In psychology it says who ever speaks more gets their opinion accepted more often. ATPGs case often leads to lynches. So all I have to do were follow around ATPG like a puppy and we get our lynches we need. While ATPG should be and for my rise and success, he was also the reason for my fall and ultimate defeat. No matter how calmly I convinced him not to lynch Tevash, he stubbornly denied it. Tevash case eventually led me into the chopping board as most of the case against me were behavior during Tevash case and behavior in the end game.

    White_eyes made a fake detective role pm, which Tevesh could've used by he went inactive so he got lynched earlier then we expected..

    Then we got into the end game. I suggested to White_eyes that we should keep our distances far away as possible, which didn't really do. We ended up keeping our self relatively close which I regret.

    Then White_eyes got lynched. I was hoping for a victory that round, but there was nothing I could've done to prevent but to stay up all night to shift the vote. That was mostly my fault for not being online when things looked bad for White_eyes. And that got him lynched.

    For the whole time, I relied on White_eyes and Tevash to do the write up as I am obviously not a native speaker. So when I found out that White_eyes won't be sending me the night kill description on the QJC kill due to computer maintenance, I had to write it my self. My original write up was made out of three lines before it was edited by GH. I can't remember the exact write up but its something along the line of

    QJC came back home
    *BANG!!
    Mafia laughed and left the scene


    At that stage I was already on the edge. When I discovered that GHs kill description clearly showed that it was done by the God Father, meaning White_eyes were one of the grunts, I relied on WIFOM to get me out of the mess. I accused my self over and over, then change my attitude to "I want to survive...I'm innocent! Help! If you lynch me.. We lose!"

    When I saw that it wasn't very effective, I practically gave up. When Reenk contacted me on the last day, still thinking that Reenk already knows that I'm the God Father, I revealed to him and told him I'm willing to do a public reveal as there is no chance I could get out of it. But Reenk convinced me not to and wait for the final judgment as I still have some hope.

    White_eyes and Reenk did a little skit at the end, just to mess with the town but I had nothing to do with that.

    I'm happy that the town managed to get me at the end, although I was surprised that taka and ATPG were still convinced that I am innocent (no offense. I love you both )

    Congratulations to Seamus, TinCow, pevergreen & Sasaki for leading the town to victory, nailing me at the end. Especially Sasaki who deserves a MVP of this game if there is such award.
    .................................................................................................... ..................................................................................

    Thoughts came in my mind. Although I had nearly no chance of survival in the last round, If I was consistent about lynching taka at the end, maybe I could've won. As Reenk turns out that he was convinced of my innocence. Two votes on taka and one votes on Reenk would've forced Andres to vote for Reenk. Which would've got me out of the trouble. I gave up too early didn't I..

    And another thought about ATPG. You called me master of patience and clearly you lack patience But I respect your ability to convince the town to lynch who you want and I respect the scum rather which can point out scummy behavior of others. I played countless of games on the Org but I never ever built my own case against anyone. I usually end up going on the bandwagon or hop on others with the votes already. Your ability to convince the town to lynch who you want is exactly what I need along with your ability to detect scummy players. And your strong will to drag who ever you decided guilty all the way to the chopping board no matter what happens is also nice thing for me to have. I shall call you master too

    .................................................................................................... ............................................

    Finally a huge... Huge thanks to GH! I never managed to survive too long in Capo. So this is one of the best game I ever played along with the Golden Rule which was legendary in different ways.
    Thanks heaps!!

    And thanks to all my fellow players who made this enjoyable
    Apart from a little heated discussion in midgame which I didn't really enjoy..

    See you in the next game

    PS: Lynch taka
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    well GH certainly had me fooled...

    And woot! First win! (although I still died en route...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio View Post
    well GH certainly had me fooled...

    And woot! First win! (although I still died en route...)
    Forgot about that

    Congratulations Gaius for your first victory! And you were the only person I had in contact with who wasn't completely blinded by my beefy act

    Have a baloon


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    As with all mafia strategies, I am adding "being nice to me" as an ineffective strategy from now on.

    I will not factor that into my analysis anymore, as a townie or scumtell, as it is neither. You give me far too much credit about your downfall, yes it prompted inconsistent play on your part, but were it not for our other veteran players, we could have lost if people listened to me.

    It was a good thing that by the end, people were finding their own suspects and my repeated failures to catch the Godfather had discredited me. I consider it an honor that your entire strategy all game revolved around fooling me personally. I have to say, you succeeded in that.


    I also nominate Sasaki as being the MVP of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    As with all mafia strategies, I am adding "being nice to me" as an ineffective strategy from now on.

    I will not factor that into my analysis anymore, as a townie or scumtell, as it is neither. You give me far too much credit about your downfall, yes it prompted inconsistent play on your part, but were it not for our other veteran players, we could have lost if people listened to me.

    It was a good thing that by the end, people were finding their own suspects and my repeated failures to catch the Godfather had discredited me. I consider it an honor that your entire strategy all game revolved around fooling me personally. I have to say, you succeeded in that.
    Aww

    What am I going to do next time if I'm mafia? If I can't count on you ATPG


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    What am I going to do next time if I'm mafia? If I can't count on you ATPG
    Die at the hands of MIDAS.

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    MUUUUHUUUHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    Behold!! The wall of text!! In beef flavor!! (Gibberish!)

    Alright. Since GH said his going to take a while for his write up, heres my thoughts.
    For most of the game I had filed you as innocent for seemingly selfless actions day 2...you guys just needed a solid plan coming into the endgame. Also, the unfortunate side effect of tevash's reveal was that people could now connect you to him...otherwise we would have continued to suspect lord winter, and white_eyes would have looked innocent as a result.

    On a side note, I'm never again going to assume that the mafia wouldn't deliberately drop to one kill early in the game...it would have worked very well here.


    *****

    btw Pizza, you have more posts in this game than there are in the whole of mafia I!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Die at the hands of MIDAS.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    MUUUUHUUUHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!


    I'll be ready. I'll polish my WIFOMs. I'll work on mafia strategy. Then eventually I'll be able to defeat the MIDAS!!

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    Good thing its not SkyNet anymore.. Man.. *Sarah Conor Chronicles aren't real..Robots aren't real
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    I'll put some more salt and peppers on me so more people will blindly trust me..


    EDIT: Thank you Sasaki Sensei
    I'm already getting ready for the next mafia opportunity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    btw Pizza, you have more posts in this game than there are in the whole of mafia I!
    God, that was never my intention.

    I have an unfortunate habit of treating the threads like a chat room. When people talk, I don't hesitate to respond, especially when they talk to me. It just never occurred to me that I was responding to basically EVERYONE in the game and no one else was playing that way. I am not trying to add to my post count or be the most talkative or spam threads. Seriously.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    I also have manic/bipolar disorder, and when I get interested in something, it's like I'm on crack. It's hard to stop myself. I literally do need everyone's help in toning down the volume, because I don't have the same restraint that others do. I never post for the sake of posting, or to hear myself talk. In real life, I am more silent than everyone here. You will never hear me talk in real life, because I have issues relating to people. Manic/bipolar plus low social skills and high IQ make it very difficult to understand people. I'm a loner, and this forum is the ONLY place I express myself.


    Pizzaguy isn't completely normal. It's just how I was made. I blame the manufacturer.

    *shakes his fist towards the heavens*

    On second thought...

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    *shakes his fist towards the underworld*


    See? I am doing it right now. People mention my name and it's like you summon me like a genie. :embarrassed:

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    I was right that GeneralHankerchief was the boombox guy.

    Would have been a better game for me if I hadn't fell for the "nice guy" trap.



    edit: Anxious for GH's commentary, really. I wanna know the song clues.
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    I liked the boombox guy as a feature. The "tonight, tonight" clue was very helpful of course...and the song after tevash's lynch was suitably cryptic with the title being "still alive" and the lyrics being "GREAT SUCCESS".

    I have to say, this is the first game in a while where I've really enjoyed being a townie. Much tougher job than mafia. This game, GF2, and a few of the earlier games before I got fed up with it.

    VV haha! That's great...
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    Song selection and the reason why I picked them is the only part of the commentary that I currently have written. I'll say right now that I didn't see the "Tonight, Tonight" song from the "the game will end tonight if you get it wrong" angle at all while picking it though. It just worked out that way.
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    I wish I was hear between the fake ending and the real ending so I could mess with the town abit.

    Excellent job to the mafia. Esspically your choice of who to keep around in the end game. I guess, it just goes to show that its impossiable to keep your behavior compeletly constant.
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    Last choice of the kill was a hard one. I was either going to kill Andres or Quintus.

    I didn't consider killing Reenk (I can't anyway) or taka as I was counting on their support and I had a feeling if I left Andres and Quintus alive, they'll both come for me.

    I chose Quintus simply because he looked more innocent and harder to get to lynch where as there were some who thought Andres was the God Father.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    Last choice of the kill was a hard one. I was either going to kill Andres or Quintus.

    I didn't consider killing Reenk (I can't anyway) or taka as I was counting on their support and I had a feeling if I left Andres and Quintus alive, they'll both come for me.

    I chose Quintus simply because he looked more innocent and harder to get to lynch where as there were some who thought Andres was the God Father.
    didn't help that I had net problems either....... I couldn't get my write-up to you.....

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    I thought Andres had a real shot at being the Godfather until the final round. If he wasn't a henchman, with the remaining players alive, I considered him the Godfather as much as I considered Taka the Godfather. I thought there was a chance Beefy was, but after his dazzling performance, I kinda wanted him to have it. And I couldn't let go of Reenk.

    It was to me between Reenk and Andres until that round, and I pegged Reenk... because from my perspective, I couldn't fathom a townie behaving in such a random way, with reasonless votes which could have gotten him lynched, especially with me calling for his head.

    Apparently it was just a little bit TOO suicidal... with Sasaki defending him, I was more sure because of Ares' vigilante writeup. Too many things came together for me to think Reenk was innocent. But they were all very, very bad accidents combined with Reenk's Reenkosity.

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    GeneralHankerchief, you must be one of the most evil men on this planet

    Congratulations to our mafiosi, Beefy187, White_Eyes:D and Tevashzat You did a wonderful job.

    And thank you GH for hosting this one. It's been a while since a game grabbed my attention like this.

    And thank you to both the mafia and townies for letting me live that long. It's been ages since I made it to the end game alive.

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    A round of drinks for Andres!

    This guy helps moderate the Gameroom, and helped moderate this game in particular, and that's saying a lot. Cheers to Sigurd too.

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    You deserved to live to the very end; your performance this game hardly triggered anyone's scum detection, so you must have been doing something right. Better to copy your performance from this game the next time you're a mafia, as best you can.
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    Great game GH.

    Well played all.
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    Default How to detect scum, accuse, and make a convincing argument:

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy187 View Post
    And another thought about ATPG. You called me master of patience and clearly you lack patience But I respect your ability to convince the town to lynch who you want and I respect the scum rather which can point out scummy behavior of others. I played countless of games on the Org but I never ever built my own case against anyone. I usually end up going on the bandwagon or hop on others with the votes already. Your ability to convince the town to lynch who you want is exactly what I need along with your ability to detect scummy players. And your strong will to drag who ever you decided guilty all the way to the chopping board no matter what happens is also nice thing for me to have. I shall call you master too

    My personal approach, as determined by my experiences in this game and previous ones. It's not the only method, nor do I claim to be an expert, but Beefy asked for my advice.

    Reply to Beefy's wall o text:

    (In classic Pizzaguy wall o text format, spoilered for your protection, everyone!)
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    I cannot convince the town to lynch who I want. As you can see, by the end, I was largely ignored, and good thing too! What I can do is I can scour the thread looking for odd behavior like no one else, or darn close to it. Many others have excellent analysis, especially Sasaki's and all the other people you mentioned who got it right about you. But I read this thread at least 20 times from start to finish, scrutinizing every single post from the perspective of "if they were town", and then again "if they were mafia". That much reading and the two different perspectives did help in the beginning with Tevash. I have to adjust my scumdar for Reenk and just flip a coin on him until I get a better reading.

    There can be no case against an innocent person that is imaginary. I can point at evidence and people can make their own judgment calls. I pointed at Reenk Roink's evidence and the (correct) judgment call was that it was a red herring, and typical Reenksterism.

    So, I am not some mind control expert, nor am I especially charismatic. As you see, I can even grate on people's nerves. All I can do is sit at my desk and look for odd behavior until it would cause most people's eyes to rot clean out of their skulls. That's my one talent. Presenting a case, I could get better at. I'm ok but it is too much for most people to want to read, so thats getting fixed.

    ADVICE on getting someone lynched:

    Why do you want them lynched? Is there a reason YOU think they are scummy? Or even if you're a mafia, why would the town want someone lynched? Go back and look at all of their posts. I mean really, really look at them. Is there anything out of the ordinary? Is it a fair assessment that it is out of the ordinary? Is there something strongly inconsistent about their behavior or strategy? Are they being too much of a leader, or too much of a follower? Are they looking for suspects? Who are their suspects? What is their reasoning? Have they been discussing? Are they lurking? What is the quality of their posts? Have they been absent from the forums for a long time unexplained? Are they on more than usual? Less than usual? Are their posts longer than usual or shorter? More posts or less than usual? Is there anything in the writeup implicating them? Have they been pressured by vote or argument in the game? Was that pressure or argument enough to realistically worry them if they were mafia? Do they seem overly defensive about themselves or someone else? Who did they vote for? Who did they unvote? How often did they unvote? Did they abstain and why? What is their sense of humor like? Are they being unusually humorous or humorless?

    You find something out of sorts, and most everyone else isn't triggering your web of detection, then make a case and see what people think, and vote however you like. When you die, you are no longer responsible for the town's fate. It's up to the judgment of your teammates now. Be vigilant after you die, but remember to respect the opinions of your living and dead counterparts, and don't be too dismissive of anyone as a suspect, like I was of you.

    You can state why you think the evidence favors someone's innocence, but mostly let them defend themselves, because you cannot know. I broke my rule to defend you this game, Beefy, and look what the result turned out to be.

    Don't defend people. State reasons you think they are innocent if you think someone else is a better suspect, but remember you could be wrong, and you did your best and its no longer your call if you are dead, so let it go.

    (These are some things I learned this game. Mmmm.... learning experience)

    How I went after Tevash was because of the legitimately neutral stance he was taking, and his lack of helpfulness, and his overly defensive reaction to me. That was nothing I could conjure out of thin air, it was there in black and white for everyone to see. No matter how good (or bad, as it turns out) I am, I cannot fabricate evidence, and if I did, I would be worse than a scumbag, I would be a bad townie.

    How to build a convincing case:


    1. Explain which posts or behaviors seem out of sorts to you, and why, and give reasons why objectively they are not behaving like their usual townie selves, or they aren't behaving like a townie should.

    2. (This is advice for me, too) Keep your case brief and to the point. Don't make it personal, and don't take it personally if people don't agree. You did your best, let it go, or simply state at the beginning of the next round "I still think he's guilty" and go on with your business. Don't hound someone all game like I did to Andres and TinCow in Chicago Soiree. That was dumber than anything I've ever done here.

    3. Question the person who you are accusing, politely and respectfully, and respond to their rebuttals. Let people make their own judgments. Maybe you were wrong about White_eyes being innocent or Reenk being scum, for example. Won't you feel as foolish as Pizzaguy if you harass them and turn out to be wrong, or overlook them completely and turn out to be wrong? Remember its just a game, and people will start to ignore you if you don't do this briefly, politely, and with good humor.


    How to get them deader than a doornail:

    4. The evidence should be more than a random anomaly. There needs to be a LOT of coincidental "random anomalies" for the case to be more legitimate than a random guess. Don't base your whole case off of one odd post. Make sure there is enough "circumstantial" evidence to objectively cause someone to be more puzzled about their true loyalties than before.

    5. Make your case heard and easy to understand. I'm good at one, need to work on the other.

    6. If it is THAT important to you, mention them as a suspect every round, but move on to other suspects. Don't fall into the vendetta trap that I've fallen into a couple times.


    What if you're wrong?


    7. It's just a game. No one will hate you for messing things up badly. I claim the DUNCE award for Chicago's mess, but I didn't lose any friends over it, just humiliated myself good. Sometimes a little humility comes from a good humiliation. Deal with it. It's part of life.

    8. You aren't God. You can't force people to vote for who you want. It's their choice. You're asking for their vote, but you aren't holding a gun to their head. If they listen to your advice and agree with it, and lynch that person, they are equally responsible for the death. You can only claim credit if your suspect was guilty, and only partial credit really. Someone else could have been suspecting them. And if you were wrong, understand that you can be wrong. It happens. Deal with it... part of life.

    9. Every time you're wrong, if you pay attention, you learn where you went wrong and become stronger for it.

    10. At least people can laugh at your misfortune. Remember, even if you FAIL MISERABLY every mafia game, you will still be welcome purely for entertainment value. I was worried that's where I would be headed if I failed to ID a single mafia. (Phew... missed it by that much... )

    11. No one is wrong 100% of the time, so give it your best effort.



    I think some of the above is good sound advice, even if it's not coming from any kind of expert or authority on mafia games. Clearly a lot of people here are better than me at lots of stuff, given my misread of you and White_eyes, and it didn't fool them.

    But I think everyone has something they are good at; if you think I'm good at finding evidence and presenting cases, awesome.(I need to work on aspects of it) And that's the best advice I know how to give on the subject.

    And final rule:

    12. Try not to annoy people. It may be better to take a break from the thread for a while and cool down, then start fresh. Remember, you're not the only one playing.

    (I've learned much of this stuff just from this game... wish I could go back in time and post this before the game started!)
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    Cheers for that ATPG!

    I'll need it when I start up my Japanese forum for mafia..

    Sadly they only got the standard rule site which is harder to use compared to the Org website.
    And they use Werewolf theme which is good sometimes but not every single times..


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    ARGH! I apologize to you Andres. I had really, REALLY thought you were the GF. Apparently I was wrong. Anyways, VICTORY! :) Well done town.
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    ARGH! I apologize to you Andres. I had really, REALLY thought you were the GF. Apparently I was wrong. Anyways, VICTORY! :) Well done town.
    You had a bet of few million dollars iirc


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    I'm still doubtful if you are the GF beefy. ¬_¬' It was that amount of certainty I had that Andres was the GF. :P
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    Good job mafia you made the game interesting til the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    I'm still doubtful if you are the GF beefy. ¬_¬' It was that amount of certainty I had that Andres was the GF. :P
    With this much certainty, I "knew" it was Reenk Roink.

    Certainty is never certain, and we only ever think we know.


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    Awesome game!!

    The fake ending really got me as well!

    I was kicking myself when it was revealed as taka couldn't believe we abandoned our lynch all lurkers strategy!!

    Thankfully we did though

    Also thankfully people didn't listen to grizz, useless or a distraction this game mainly...

    Just couldn't get my head round Reenks behaviour... will now for future reference that Reenk acts kinda scummy normally...
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    I believe I somehow forgot to thank GH for his efforts here. This was easily the most entertaining game I've ever had as a townie. Whatever your objectives were for this game, I'm certain you exceeded them.


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