The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[glyphz]

the post before this post in the 'vote for the person in front of me tactic' is yourself, so i think you should be doing a suicide vote Glyphz

Good point
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens

[naut]

Random vote:

Vote: Ignoramus

[boudica]

It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).

Seamus made the first good analysis after night time and though he pointed out that the kill write ups would be important he made no observations himself... drawing attention to a set up?

@ Seamus: Did you not think the write up indicated anyone who didn't use English as a first language?

I find it suspicious that you went to the trouble of producing coherent analysis, but neglected to mention the obvious grammatical errors. vote: Seamus Fermanagh

As an aside, I think the initial election period definitely needs careful analysis. In terms of exactly when the mafia stooges would have been selected by the Godfather and how that may have affected voting.

Tally

No Vote = 6 (Askthepizzaguy, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Jolt, Seamus Fermanagh)

Abstain = 4 LittleGrizzly, Quintus.JC, Reenk Roink [courteously], White_Eyes:D)

Andres = 2 (Chaotix27, Tevashzat)
Ichigo = 2 (Sigurd, Taka)
Sasaki Kojiro = 2 (Andres, YLC)
Seamus Fermanagh = 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
187Beefyz = 1 (TincCow)
Chaotix27 = 1 (Glyphz)
Shlin28 = 1 (sereikhaan)
TinCow = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Ignoramus = 1 (Rythmic)
Glyphz = 1 (777Ares777)

Can't Vote= 1 (Shlin28)

Murdered = 2 (CountArach, Tratorix)

Lynched = 0

[Thermal]

I would also mention, that some clever mafia point out clues that involve themselves, as if to deflect suspicion on that topic away from themselves, pointing out a clue could be good analyzing or it could be in association with the persons role.

[Beefy187]

It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).

Shall we do a quick cooking lessons?

First we flame Beefy!

Then Beefy obviously wines!!

Then we meatball him!

Daddaa!! We now have a huge Beef steak!!

... gently mixed with meatballs..

[boudica]

I guess you must be feeling pretty tender by now

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shall we do a quick cooking lessons?

First we flame Beefy!

Then Beefy obviously wines!!

Then we meatball him!

Daddaa!! We now have a huge Beef steak!!

... gently mixed with meatballs..

I am not sure if this is intended to be delicious food writing, or erotic writing, but either way, my mouth is watering.

[Beefy187]

I am not sure if this is intended to be delicious food writing, or erotic writing, but either way, my mouth is watering.

Argh he wants me dead!!

Until the evil pizza lord breaks my two horns, I will fight till the end.. No Beef shall be part of your pizza until my death... Rarararara!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't want you dead.

In fact, I believe the mafia is trying to implicate you as a scapegoat at this point.

[Thermal]

Good point
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens

Don't worry, i'll compensate, you had bad reasoning for your vote anyway

unvote, vote: glyphz

[Andres]

I believe the write-ups are supposed to be written and posted unchanged (I wish that was true in Ephesus - It would have been sooo much more fun).

It would only have been fun for you; fun as in 'too easy to obtain victory'

You've repeatedly said that you were worried about having to do your own write up if you were mafia in a game that required it because you would have to put work into disguising your style. Now you are voting based on a few grammar errors--

And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite

I for one am not going to bother looking at the grammar and spelling of kill write-ups. We have a godfather and two grunts, it may well be that there are native and non native speakers among the mafia, possibly even a native speaker from the US, a native speaker from the UK and a non native speaker.

And then there's 'khaan who enthusiastically analysed kill write-ups in Kung Fu mafia while he probably wrote them himself.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite

Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...

[Andres]

Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...

Are you threatening me?

If you must, break the tie and vote me. Somebody has to go first

[Thermal]

That would seem scummy, and i would be tempted to vote for sasaki for evening doing that....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.

[Andres]

Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.

Well, you could be guilty

[TinCow]

Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk. I think it likely that this person would not be as skilled in faking kill write-ups and other such things. I admit this is a bit of a stretch for a lynch vote, but this is the first round, so I don't have a whole lot else to go on. I already had my first turn fun with the 'campaign,' so no need to do a silly vote this time around.

[CountArach]

I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk.

From my own experience (I had to pick my mafia in one game a while back) I did this.

[Thermal]

Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.

Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.

[TinCow]

Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.

Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.

Well, at least the discussion is proving fruitful. I agree the "tincown" and "change we can believe him" are likely intentional (the latter because it is repeated twice). However, "had accused shlin28 of" and "lied on the ground" seem to be careless errors to me, particularly the latter. Those are the kinds of writing errors that are difficult to disguise, because often the writer is not even aware that they are wrong. You can't fake a particular part of your writing if you aren't aware of what characterizes that writing in the first place. Those mistakes tend to occur in people for whom English is a second language or primary language speakers who are young and still learning, such as teenagers.

I am by no means so foolish as to think that my conclusions are completely correct, nor that I have miraculously identified a mafioso right off the bat. I am simply trying to sift through the available evidence to look for clues. Calling this a "vendetta" against Beefy is excessive, IMO. The odds are certainly high that he is innocent, but he's the best I can come up with at the moment, and I haven't yet seen another argument in this thread that has any weight behind it (barring that recently made against Seamus). If it makes you feel any better, I also considered you as an alternative to Beefy, but I then discounted you based on patterns of punctuation in other threads. Punctuation habits are also difficult to disguise.