The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Long shot but I think you are innocent. Good find.

Could the mafia be one of those who played in Mafia VIII? Or is it another WIFOM

Well... I'm dead. And Gaius was the only other mafioso.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Where's Agonnyduck when you need him?

[White_eyes:D]

Ok, I have looked at both write-up's carefully....and come up with some clues.......(Which could just be WIFOM....but I think they left them by mistake...) Both kill write-ups for the first and second night, always have the same method of murder.....but both are different in there disposition..

Horrified by such an image, Tratorix immediately backed away, but then tripped on a pothole. He fell backwards right onto a conveniently placed knife that was held upright with epoxy. The knife went straight through his lungs.

Here on night one, we see the killer never kills the target directly....but seems to make his target kill himself....

"I have your chair placed right above a giant tank of water. That button in your right hand will cause you to have a watery death," boomed the voice with laughter.

Seireikhaan did not last through the hour. His drowned remains were shipped to the front office of the Gameroom in the morning.

While the second Kill write-ups have the killer have a more hands-on approach to his targets.....

"It must have been the wind," CountArach nervously laughed.

As he was walking towards the door he felt something stuffed into his mouth and quickly realized it was a wad of cloth soaked in methanol. His eyes went blurry and he fell on a carefully placed knife that was held upright with epoxy.

In the second one he seems to steal or use a write-up from another game......

"I'm afraid you won't be able to," the man said, pushing boudica in the lake and holding her head under till she drowned, all with an apologetic smile on his face.

Maybe they both are using write-ups from other games to confuse town and make a huge WIFOM.... but until a get a better analysis of this I Vote:abstain

[Beefy187]

Well... I'm dead. And Gaius was the only other mafioso.

I meant all players.


List of players who are playing and played mafia VII
Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero

I think thats everyone who played and are here atm. Correct me if Im wrong

[Thermal]

Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Craterus
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
777ares777
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero

Fixed

[Beefy187]

Wait.. You weren't playing were you? Or did you have a different name?

[Quintus.JC]

I meant all players.


List of players who are playing and played mafia VII
Ichigo
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan (Seireikhaan)
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
TevashSzat
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Lord Winter
CountArach
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
ATPG

I think thats everyone who played and are here atm. Correct me if Im wrong

I don't think ATPG played, or did he have a different user name?

[Beefy187]

He probs didnt.. I got confused by Ares list

Ill fix that unless someone says otherwise

[TinCow]

Very, very interesting. No spelling/grammar errors in the first kill (at least as far as I can tell on a single read without coffee) and a second kill that is copied from a previous game. Honestly, I would like to take a moment to give a nod of respect to whoever did that. I've been pondering the best manner to disguise one's own writing style, but that never even occurred to me. It's an exceptionally brilliant move.

I have done a bit of searching for various bits of the other three kill write-ups. As far as I can tell, all three are original and only the second one on N2 was copied from another game. I don't think this is a coincidence. I think one of the mafioso was uncomfortable having his writing style analyzed last turn, and came up with a perfect way to avoid it in the future. This makes me think I was correct in my profiling. I suspect one of the mafioso is young, probably a teenager and still in high/secondary school. English as a second language is still possible, but the general writing style was good. There were a few careless errors and one classic violation of grammar rules. This reminds me of young native-English speaking writers. People who have English as a second language tend to make more errors or none at all.

I will stick with my original vote from last round, as he still qualifies by the above:
Vote: 187Beefyz

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Writeup analysis is a dead end unless you guys think it's enough to lynch. There's more than one person who could have made errors in grammar, and they're easy to make deliberately. I made some on purpose in one of my replies to you yesterday.

Now, when we get down to around 10 people and have a whole string of write ups it can be a useful tool but ya'll ought to stick to thread.

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Grist for analysis: Thus far (post #385)....

User Name, # of Posts , # Posts after play starts

Askthepizzaguy 42 36
777Ares777 31 28
GeneralHankerchief 31
Andres 23 22
TinCow 22 21
Sasaki Kojiro 21 19
187Beefyz 19 18
YLC 19 17
shlin28 16 15
Quintus.JC 14 13
Seamus Fermanagh 13 11
seireikhaan 13 11
CountArach 13
Reenk Roink 11 7
TevashSzat 10 9
LittleGrizzly 10 9
Chaotix27 8 7
White_eyes:D 8 7
Sigurd 8 4
boudica 7 6
glyphz 7 6
Rythmic 6 5
Gaius Scribonius Curio 6 5
Lord Winter 6 5
Jolt 6 5
Tratorix 5 4
Ichigo 3 2
taka 2 1
Ignoramus 2 1
Myrddraal 2
Ituralde 1

Host, Not Playing, Murdered, Lynched, Chief of Police

What do I view as points of interest here? Lets see....:

1. taka and Iggy are in total lurk mode. However, both have voted to avoid WOG status....

2. Sigurd is quite a bit less active than usual for him, moreover, his posts have been shorter and less analytical than typical -- though to be fair we're only done with N2, so it's early.

3. I cannot recall the time I saw Beefy this active in only 3D, 2N. Admittedly, he was targeted a bit by Tincow, but....

4. Andres is also quite active. I'm used to our noble moderator, when not hosting, being a bit below the high end of the posting list.

5. Not sure on Ares, he's active, but I have less of a sense of him so far. Comments from others?



Regarding the Death Write ups.

YES there are clues there, there always are. Especially in a game where the Mafiosi take the lead writer's role as GH has stated is the case here.

HOWEVER, as Sasaki notes, this kind of data -- barring a major gaffe -- tends not to be decisive early on. All we know for sure is that we have two themes running so far. 1st theme is direct v indirect (noted by White Eyes) and a second is common means of death (pre-placed knives N1, drowning N2). All this tells us is that the killers enjoy a little thematic gaming -- something I always loved as mafia -- but that characteristic isn't all that rare in this crowd.

However, noting the "lifting" of a previous scene almost in its entirety may be significant. We may have at least one mafioso who is high on google-fu and research. Most folks just do it their own way, but this person went and researched past games -- probably for some time -- to select one and minimize style recognition. This "lifting" occurred well enough in advance to be coordinated with the other killers, so that the theme could be contiguous.

Obviously, these mafia are organized, probalby using an external thread -- again, not uncommon.


Based on differing activity level, as well as Tincow's concerns, I'd like to here a proper defense from Beefy.

Unvote: Abstain

Vote: 187Beefyz


Tally as of post #390

187Beefyz = 2 (Seamus, Tincow)
Sasaki = 2 (GSC, YLC)
Abstain = 1 (White Eyes)

Implied Abstain = 8 (Shlin, Tevash, Ares, Chaotix, Grizz, Beefy. QJC, Tratorix, Reenk)

Dead = 5 (Ichigo, Boudica, 'khaan, trat, arach)

No Vote = 10